Liverpool want to go it alone
Liverpool want to see individually negotiated TV rights. I hate this idea, even though Arsenal are mentioned as a beneficiary - I don't want England to officially become as lopsided and unwinnable a league for 16 of the 20 clubs as the Spanish league is for all but their big two.
(I know it is effectively that way now but I hold on to some shred of hope that it could change - but if this comes in to play it won't)
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This is a horrible idea
Frankly, in order to keep some sort of competition, they should stick to revenue sharing the television rights across all the EPL teams. I know that nobody will really ever agree to that if they can get TV rights club by club, but it’s the logical choice in keeping a stable league, and hopefully these greedy owners don’t follow Liverpool’s suggested path. Besides, the top tier clubs make millions more than any other club just on base revenue alone, that’s why they have these big stadiums and all their advertising, Arsenal included.
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Off-topic but
Is there some way for me to watch Arsenal games online? I recently moved to college and don’t have cable. Is there anything like MLBTV, but for soccer? I’m willing to pay.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 11, 2011 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
there is the official Arsenal TV service
which is audio-only during games, but shows full highlights later.
We’re not allowed to link to illegal streams here, just so everyone knows…
by Ted Harwood on Oct 11, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
mmmm alright
thanks
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 11, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
When people ask for links
I link to Rick Astley videos
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he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Oct 11, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
there is also foxsoccer.tv
which is subscription as well, but has a ton of games (not just Premier League) available to watch, and usually shows whatever matches Fox Soccer Channel isn’t showing.
by Ted Harwood on Oct 11, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
They've also gotten their act together big time this season.
A lot of people have complained about it in the past (and rightfully so) but it’s miles better now.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 12, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
step 1) make a twitter account
step 2) in the search box type in “arsenal link”
the only problem is finding a link in english but you can always try “arsenal link english” and if anyone has posted one with links, it will come up…
I dont know if this goes against the “no posting of illegal links” rule but I’m just telling you HOW to find them if you so choose, not really posting a link of any kind, hope thats ok, if not, feel free to delete this.
by uclabruin34 on Oct 14, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe there's a middle ground here
That gets a few million quid of extra cash to Arsenal to spend. Lord knows we could use the money to keep up with the Joneses internationall
As to the previous comment, go to the official website and become a member. .Arsenal Player has all the games.
We have more than enough cash to keep up with the Jones'
with special regard to City though, they’ll always have more cash than the Jones’…
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by UMDfutbol11 on Oct 11, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, the more I think about this, the more I'm not too opposed to this
Maybe I’m way off-base here and comparing apples to oranges and if so I’m sure I’ll here about it. But I just finished reading for a second time “Moneyball” and, as you might know, it basically details how a club with no money became a winner by bucking what clubs in similar financial situations in the past had done and started to evaluate talent by more efficient methods. I don’t know if something similar can ever be done in club soccer, but I’m getting close to the belief that someone as forward-thinking as Billy Beane can be found within soccer and revolutionize the way players are evaluated and rated.
If the League moves to individually-negotiated overseas TV rights (and maybe one day domestic rights), it could force clubs to look at new ways to spend money and whom they spend it on and that can only be good for the game. Who knows, maybe it unearths the Billy Beane of soccer (and before you say that Wenger is the Billy Beane of soccer, he isn’t).
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by Twin Cities Hawk on Oct 11, 2011 10:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You know Billy Beane currently consults for Spurs, right?
Has done for a few years now.
The problem with the Moneyball model (and oh lordy I hate calling it that) in soccer is that there are no in-depth statistics to mine to find the undervalued statistic, like there is in baseball. If you recall, OBP was the “gold mine” of undervalued, non-sexy statistics in Moneyball at the time it was written (it’s not now, but that’s a different story), so Beane went after guys with shitty averages and high OBP’s because he understood that guys who got on base scored runs more often than guys who didn’t and was willing to overlook the “traditional” slash stats and RBI numbers in favor of numbers that told a deeper story. There’s no analog to that in soccer, and unless soccer becomes more able to be statistically analyzed there probably won’t be.
"and before you say that Wenger is the Billy Beane of soccer, he isn’t"
You’re right, Wenger’s won championships. OHHHHHHHHHHHHH
/My shit doesn’t work in the playoffs’d
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by Thomas Wachtel on Oct 12, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Read Soccernomics by Steve Sczymanski
PDB is right that there aren’t really any hidden metrics for measuring players yet to be discovered but all the top clubs are doing the same thing the all the top MLB teams are doing now. They are developing there own methodologies and formulas. Arsenal is doing it as well: no players over 30, no players over 6 feet, diet, training, etc. They also gather piles of data (speed, endurance, positioning, passing, etc.) on players but it’s all proprietary so no one sees it outside the club.
It’s not revolutionary cause the revolution already happened.
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Ah
Thanks for the recommendation. Like I stated, it was a comparison that I admitted could be an apples-to-oranges deal and it looks like that’s the case.
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by Twin Cities Hawk on Oct 12, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
There is so much in that book that's great and eye-opening.
And the comparison is not really far off. It’s happening in the NBA, it’s been happening in the NFL for years (Bill Walsh), most MLB teams have embraced it and the FFP rules are basically gonna force it on the soccer world.
Teams HAVE to be smarter about how they spend their money. That might mean better scouting or tougher negotiating or more data or whatever. Fans demand it, broadcasters demand it, shareholders demand it, players demand it. It simply HAS to be done this way now or you’ll get left behind (Leeds!!!)
Captain, there are doubt''s...
Explain your extreme hatred for Leeds United?
I’ve noticed this from previous comments including Leeds… Just wondering…?
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by UMDfutbol11 on Oct 12, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Leeds have always been a dirty, ugly team
and then David O’Leary went to manage them, and they got dirtier and uglier. I saw Leeds at Highbury twice during those years, and in each of those games O’Leary basically told his players to kick seven shades of shit out of Arsenal at every opportunity. I loved O’Leary when he was with Arsenal, but Leeds ruined him and for that I will never forgive them and I hope they rot in the lower leagues forever.
I'm no fan of them either
But it’s an excellent example of the risk you run by putting all your eggs in one basket: CL money – Leeds; rich owner – Chelsea, City; borrowed money – United (though they seem to be able to keep up with the payments), Liverpool
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I just hate Billy Bremner.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Oct 13, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Will Per start each game 6 inches underground?
by Flashpacker on Oct 12, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
That'll hardly hurt his pace
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by Aidan Gibson on Oct 12, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
The fact that his height was even discussed as something exceptional for Arsenal
just emphasizes how much we have embraced a more analytical and financially sound approach to running the club as well as how desperate the situation is right now in terms of injuries and lack of viable transfer options.
Captain, there are doubt''s...
This is a terrible idea
But if Liverpool want to do this sort of deal, they can sod off to La Liga or create their own one team league. At least they’d finally win the league.
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Neither do Arsenal apparently
They need 14 out of 20 clubs to agree to the terms of the idea before it can go through. Right now though, it looks like Liverpool are the only one’s who want this, not even City want this. I think it’s awesome that even the top tier EPL teams know that individual TV rights would kill the league, hopefully the EPL will take notice, and start licensing it’s league overseas and here like the other three top leagues do
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I actually think the idea would backfire in Liverpool's faces
A greater disparity in wealth amongst the teams would lead to worse more blowouts and more predictable results, both week to week and season to season. I think this would turn off a lot of fans. American sports may be a bad example, but look at the NFL, which is soaring in popularity in large part because of TV revenue sharing and salary caps.
That's exactly what has happened in Spain
and it’s why few people outside of Spain watch La Liga any more. Germany, France, and Italy are all far more interesting.
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by Ben Schneider on Oct 12, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Germany is really interesting actually
They always post some good games on ESPN3, and every year it seems like somebody new is competing at the top of the league
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I love the Bundesliga
I don’t get to actually watch it much, but after the Premier League it’s certainly my next favorite. The games individually and the league from year-to-year are all so competitive.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Oct 12, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Death of the odd hope
This will be the death of teams like Tottenham. It’s awful. And it absolutely kills any chance that there will ever be a Blackburn Rovers again situation.
It's not happening, just so you know...
The only ones that condone this move are Liverpool, not even Manchester City or Chelsea want in on this, and it’s for the best. All these clubs aside from Liverpool know that the way to go is to advance “as part of” the English Premier League and not as an individual club, as the way that Real Madrid and Barcelona have chosen to go, and look whats happened as a result. La Liga is going to be dominated for a long time by those two clubs, diminishing the appeal of the league and any credibility of winning it. Whereas clubs like ours, and United and Chelsea, know that sharing the revenue of the league and between its teams will help keep the EPL’s appeal not only to fans, but to players as well. There’s a reason nobody gets excited about Spanish football anymore, and Madrid and Barca are the two main reasons why, they single-handedly killed the league’s appeal. If Liverpool want to, or somehow manage to, go off on their own, they better have a damn good plan, because they’ll probably get excluded from the EPL’s TV revenue, and if they don’t have a big enough fan base to want to purchase those TV rights, then they’ll definitely be screwed moneywise in the long run…
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I should also add that...
Although Ian Ayre announced this idea, I think it’s more of a prospect brought along by Liverpool’s owners, Fenway Sports Group. FSG owns the majority of New England Sports Network (NESN), and all of those that follow baseball know damn well that NESN and the Yankees’ YES network add on so much more money to those two teams compared to those who don’t have their own network money being brought in. Baseball allows for this to happen, and while soccer does allow for this option, it’s ridiculously strict to get into. 14 of 20 EPL teams would have to agree to follow this new model, and I highly doubt that any of the 14 lowest teams in the EPL table would agree to this…
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