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HEY i did a fanshot instead!!!! but in seriousness i think this is wonderful considering the talent and potential Wilshere has. He is something special and keeping him at this club is a top priority.

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it's the promise of a young athlete

I think it’s good that he feels committed but I wouldn’t hold him to his word.

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by silverace99 on Nov 8, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah that isn't going to happen

The era of one athlete staying at one club his entire career, in any sport, is over and is never coming back.

I don’t know how old you are, but when i was a kid like Wilshere I made a whole lot of definitive declarative statements like that, and to my knowledge I stuck with not a single one of them. That’s life.

by pdb on Nov 8, 2011 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

It might happen.

There’s no way to know. I’d sure as hell prefer this (that is, him pledging fealty to the Arsenal until the end of time) to the alternative.

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by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 8, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

pledging fealty till the end of time is wonderful

Until he realizes that before the end of time, somebody will offer him a pile of money the size of an Irish Sea ferry to play somewhere else someday. And he will undoubtedly take it, as he should.

In case you hadn’t noticed, I’m firmly in the “I root for laundry” camp.

by pdb on Nov 8, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Derek Jeter

Captain, there are doubt''s...

by Match Day 5 on Nov 9, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That's one, but considering how many professional athletes there are in the world it hardly disproves my overall point

He and Rivera are probably going to be the last modern athletes to play an entire long career at a single club, at least until the salary/contract structure of all professional sports blows up and has to be redone because it’s unsustainable.

by pdb on Nov 9, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree it's rare

but i think the “Jeter Model” fits pretty well:

-Fan since childhood
-Plays an important position
-Already a star as a professional
-Joined the team after extended period without success
-Wealthy club that will be able to afford him if it so chooses
-Club competes against the top level

The only thing that’s left is to go on a run and win several titles and trophies over the Lad’s career while he has some legendary moments and highlights. A big what if but certainly no less than what we all expect to be Arsenal’s future. Should this play out, I don’t see why he would end up in a situation where money wouldn’t be the deciding factor at the end of his career.

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by Match Day 5 on Nov 9, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That last sentence is a mess

I don’t see why he wouldn’t end up in a situation where money isn’t the deciding factor for how he finishes his career.

Captain, there are doubt''s...

by Match Day 5 on Nov 9, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

But that's the thing

The only thing that’s left is to go on a run and win several titles and trophies

If that doesn’t happen, like say if Jack had been a starter for the last five years of Arsenal’s history, would he stick around? Young athletes (since the late 90’s/early 00’s) have been so conditioned to believe that the act of winning a trophy is so much more important than the uniform in which that trophy is won that I am not sure Wilshere or anybody else that is just becoming an athlete today even understands the decision process Derek Jeter made to stay with the Yankees his entire career. Or Ryan Giggs with Manchester United, for that matter.

If Arsenal start winning trophies every year, sure, Wilshere might live up to his promise. But when they don’t (there are only four trophies every year, after all), will he stay no matter what, even when a team that does win a lot comes calling with a whole pile of cash and a recent history that has many more trophies than Arsenal? He says so now, but when I was his age I swore to anybody that would listen that I would never work a corporate job as long as I lived, and here I am 15 years into my corporate career.

I don’t hold any of this against Jack, by the way – it’s human nature, and he’s certainly entitled to do what he wants. I just doubt that a 19 year old knows what “forever” even means in a career context.

by pdb on Nov 9, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

But you have to have the mindset.

“We’re gonna win everything multiple times over the next 10, 15 years and I’m gonna be awesome.” Otherwise, why play the game?

Sure it might not turn out that way but we could also be relegated and spend 3 years in the championship. I just don’t think it’s a given that, after a successful run here, he’ll simply take the money and go play for Real Madrid.

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by Match Day 5 on Nov 10, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

baseball has a salary maximum right?

euro soccer doesn’t to my knowledge. Assuming Jeter earns a maximum cap, nobody, no matter how rich they are, can offer him more. So money isn’t involved in his decision so much I assume.

Not so when the next Arabian prince puts down 60 million euros for jack. There’s no protection.

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by silverace99 on Nov 10, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Baseball does not actually have a salary cap

They have a “luxury tax”, which is a de-facto team-level salary ceiling, but teams are free to exceed that ceiling if they want to pay the tax. Basically, for last year, any team with a total payroll over $178 million has to pay at one of three levels: 22.5% of the amount spent over $178 million if this is a team’s first time exceeding the threshold, 30% of the amount spent over $178 million if it is the team’s second time over the threshold, or $40 million if it’s the third or more time over it.

So a team like the Yankees, with their built-in advantages of the YES Network and the biggest market in the sport, can exceed the luxury tax without really blinking an eye about it. What that means on a player level is that they can afford to overpay Jeter – his current contract is ludicrous for a player of his age/declining skill set (3y/$51m) but they don’t care because they know he’s an icon and they can afford it.

So Jeter was kind of a strange case – Jeter knew that there would be riots in the streets of NYC if he walked for less, and there was no team in baseball that would come close to offering him that kind of money (he’s 37!), so he was able to pretty much write his own deal. Any team could have stepped in and offered him equivalent money, but no teams are insane, so they didn’t.

To your point, though, you’re absolutely right. In two years, when Man City comes calling with 60 million euros, we will see if Jack’s words mean more than the average athlete’s. I don’t think they will.

And again, I don’t hold that against Jack or any athlete, really – if someone offered me orders of magnitude more money to do my exact same job in a different city, I would be gone faster than you could say SO LONG SUCKERS.

by pdb on Nov 10, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

The "p" in pdb stands for pessimist!

But you are justified to feel that way. The Derek Jeter’s are certainly few and far, far between.

As a Mariners’ fan, I can see how you would think there is nothing good and pure in this world! Teasing obviously.

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by Match Day 5 on Nov 10, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not exactly a pessimist but I have watched sports long enough to understand how athletes work

If Wilshere does stay at Arsenal his entire career, that will be great. It’s just that in modern sports history, I have been given no reason to believe that a 19 year old can say with any certainty what he will do for what is likely to be a 15-18 year career.

As a Mariners’ fan, I can see how you would think there is nothing good and pure in this world!

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by pdb on Nov 10, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

hope this never happens

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Nov 13, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

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by silverace99 on Nov 13, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

2016 actually

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Nov 13, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

it might as well had been Man City Gunners

because they had koscielny/mertesacker/clichy at the back and Nasri and Wilshere obviously.

I drew twice with arsenal thanks to starting squillaci at the back…

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Nov 13, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He might be here for awhile, but there's still a good chance he might leave

I mean, there’s a lot of good athletes out there in any sport, where they’ve been with one team for so long, but haven’t won anything (knock on wood), and that’s when the desperation sets in. No legendary athlete want’s his legacy to be remembered as “I was damn good, but I didn’t win anything while I was playing”, most of those guys take off towards the end of their careers to try and get some silverware elsewhere if he doesn’t have any by then (ie. Karl Malone, Ray Bourque, etc.)

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by UMDfutbol11 on Nov 8, 2011 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

bite me barcelona

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by silverace99 on Nov 10, 2011 1:52 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

awesomeness

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