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I always love it when they say someone is "poised" to do something. It makes me think Wenger is standing there with pen overhead and a dramatic look on his face, just waiting to swoop down like a hawk into a field of mice.

Update: According to Sky Sports News (I know), Henry is expected to sign on loan in the next 48 hours.

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And their was me, saying it wouldn't happen.

BAH

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by Aidan Gibson on Dec 29, 2011 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

I'm still not convinced it should happen but it's a thing that seems to be happening so yay I guess?

I think I’m just scarred from being a Mariners fan and having to live through 2009-10 Ken Griffey Jr. to fully welcome back an aging superstar into a team I love.

by pdb on Dec 29, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It broke my heart seeing Junior traded to Cincinnatti and then broke it again when he came back

Just a shell of the Junior from my childhood.

I hope Henry doesn’t do the same…

by Scrupio on Dec 29, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool beans!

So now until we get a striker on deadline day we won’t have to worry….Right?

by Sabrina Dessipe on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

sorry, but he has got the Arsenal DNA

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by silverace99 on Dec 29, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This has seriously pissed me off in so many ways.

I love the Red Bulls, Arsenal, and Henry (in that order). They’ve all managed to make me very angry.

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by Ben Schneider on Dec 29, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm right there with you (except the Red Bulls part)

I see no way this can end well for anybody. At best, he signs and makes very few appearances for very limited minutes and does nothing; at worst, he’s 1972 Willie Mays or 2010 Ken Griffey Jr. Either way, ugh.

by pdb on Dec 29, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

1972 Willie Mays wasn't terrible

.267/.404/.411

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by Aidan Gibson on Dec 29, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Willie Mays' game was based on speed, stellar defense, and spectacular hitting

I thought 1972 was his last year, but it turns out 1973 was. And by 1972/3, he could barely run, he struggled to get to a lot of balls that three years before he would have caught easily, and he couldn’t really hit any more (batting average is a pretty bad way to measure quality of hitting). 1972 Willie Mays was certainly serviceable, but compared to 1955-1962 Willie Mays, he was abominable, and it is always sad to see guys play past their prime on a stage on which they really have no business being.

I don’t think Henry is as broken down as late-career Mays was, but I really don’t want Henry to go to Arsenal and tarnish what is currently a pretty stellar legacy.

by pdb on Dec 29, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not too concerned about Henry tarnishing his legacy

When you think about it, 2006-07 Henry was a petulant, injured Henry, who scored only 12 goals from 27 games. Not a bad record at all, but one that was bad compared to 5 straight years of 30 goals a season. Yet, we don’t remember that season; we remember from 2002-2006, when Henry was the best striker in the Premier League, if not the world.

Whether Henry scores or not, I don’t think it can tarnish the fact that he is our top scorer and one of the best players in our history.

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by Aidan Gibson on Dec 29, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

And what I'm saying is I'd rather leave that 2002-2006 legacy alone

Arsenal don’t need Henry right now. Henry doesn’t need Arsenal right now. I hate nostalgia, and even if I didn’t, it bothers me that a club with championship pretensions is even thinking of bringing Henry back to play a role.

I hate it when MLS teams bring aging Europeans over in a bid to win fans, and I really don’t like that Arsenal are making the somewhat cynical move of bringing Henry back for two months. If they really wanted a two month loan that could contribute, there’s even a better option in MLS – why not outbid Everton for Landon Donovan?

This whole thing reeks of a sop to unhappy fans, and even if it’s not, I don’t really like it.

by pdb on Dec 29, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we need Henry

In that it’s hard to find someone to cover left wing and up front and not cost an excessive amount of money. Getting Podolski is a red flag, I feel. AW knows how Henry’s been playing in training, and it works, for the short term.

If Henry has the quality, I’m not against it. I think Henry will have the quality; in this case, we have to trust Wenger. I don’t think he’d bring Henry back to make fans happy, and I think Wenger feels that he has a better gauge of how Henry could help, having seen him in training, than Landycakes.

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by Aidan Gibson on Dec 29, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the crux

If Henry has the quality, I’m not against it.

I’m not sure he does – I also trust Wenger, but everyone has their blind spots. Ben can speak to this more so than I since he watches Henry every week, but when Henry came to Portland last year, he spent most of the game within a few steps of the center circle, making the occasional run forward, and it was obvious that he was conserving his energy; he won’t have that option in the Premier League, and I fear that his lack of pace over a full game will be readily evident.

MLS is not a speed-based league, where the Premiership relies on speed a fair amount. I just don’t know if Henry can keep up.

by pdb on Dec 29, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not sure we have championship pretensions for this year

seems most are in agreement that a top 4 finish with a decent showing in the knockout stages of the cl would be a great season at this point.

by rg643 on Dec 29, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

The technique is still there, the speed is not. He’s also been nursing various long-running injuries for some time.

Of course, my other concern is that he will try to go full-throttle, and in doing so injure himself or exhaust himself ahead of the serious business: the 2012 MLS season.

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by Ben Schneider on Dec 29, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

1. On ability (speed in particular): Even in his day, Henry reached a level of finishing prowess at which he didn’t even need to utilize his speed to blow away defenders anymore. Anyone who watched arsenal particularly around 2006, the last highbury season, saw that transformation.

2. On Wenger’s decision: Can we look at this in the context of this man’s thinking for a moment please? We know how skeptically he approaches aging players. How can you say this would fall into his blind spot. In my opinion, this would fall into the yellow read and orange caution watch-the-fuck-out spot for Wenger.

3. On Practicality: Let’s also just think about the situation the club finds itself in cureently. It’s a numbers game. We need some depth. To go out and get a new forward on the market would probably be pricey relative to market value. Needless to say, we won’t need the extra forward after our guys return. He will be perfect for FA Cup games, substitutes and what not… the whole thing just makes sense.

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by NYflyGUY on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

But it kinda doesn't make that much sense.

Arsenal’s needs are more than two months long. I’d prefer that Arsenal spend time in January finding a decent, permanent replacement rather than renting Henry for two months.

by pdb on Dec 30, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

i can guarantee you wenger will not go out and spend in january, its not how he operates. he is looking to temporarily patch up the situation until the summer transfer window.

This team will be the death of me.

by NYflyGUY on Dec 30, 2011 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

He's shown a willingness to spend in January in the past

In fact 2 of our highest transfers ever happened in January with Reyes and Arshavin.

by Scrupio on Dec 30, 2011 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

you'll have to forgive my ignorance as I'm a relatively new football fan

been following football full time for about 3 years now. The question I’ve had for a long time is this: why don’t more teams take older strikers/attacking players and move them to positions with a lesser emphasis on sheer speed? Obviously Thierry Henry has the technical ability to suit any position, though he lacks the other attributes for certain position (and my fullback comment above was mostly a joke), but I don’t see why he couldn’t be an effective player in a creative midfield role, where he’d do a lot of running, but he wouldn’t necessarily have to fly by people like he used to.

Thanks, I’ll hang up and listen.

by rg643 on Dec 29, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I honestly don't know but here's my guess based on watching the game for the better part of 25 years now

I think by the time you’re Thierry Henry-class, being a striker/attacker is all you know how to do. To retrain a player to change roles that dramatically and have him be effective would take a long time. I see parallels to baseball here – as a Mariners fan, all I keep hearing whenever I have the misfortune to listen to Sports Shout Radio-type shows is “Ichiro could hit 45 HR a year if he wanted to”. Well, if he wanted to, he already would – he is a specific type of hitter, and to retrain a person who spent 14 years becoming the hitter he is to be a completely different type of hitter would take several years, and would cost the team those years in a productive player as he learned a new role.

This is similar, to my thinking – soccer is so based on flow and feel and innate one-move-ahead thinking, and that thinking varies so much by role, that I’m sure Thierry Henry could probably learn a new role, but it would take far, far more than two months to do so.

by pdb on Dec 29, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe, but he wasn't a striker when he came to arsenal, right?

and arsenal has a reputation of moving younger players around (ashley cole, for example).

It just seems to me that older guys should be more knowledgeable and thus more able to pull off the mental aspect of a switch. And combined with Henry’s still excellent technical skill, I’ve wondered for some time why no one ever tried to move him a bit further back. It just seems like such a waste that guys like him are essentially done at 31 or 32 when he was so much more than his sheer speed.

by rg643 on Dec 29, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry to reply to myself, but I just thought of another thing i wanted to say

baseball people talk about exploiting market innefficiency. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. Arsenal, for example, was ahead of the curve on young and unappreciated foreign talent, and now teams like United, City and Chelsea spend more time looking at 18 y/o continental players than they did before, so it’s harder for Arsene to find the bargains he used to.

It seems to me that older players are an extremely undervalued commodity, because everyone just comes to a consensus at some point that they’re done and that’s it. Giggs and Scholes excelled for years past their expiration date at Man U because they were used smartly; they were relegated to something less than full-time, saved for the big games and asked to control the game from further down the pitch.

by rg643 on Dec 29, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

(It amazes me that Ryan Giggs is still playing)

You may be on to something, but I’m not sure how undervalued older players are at a team like Arsenal, which relies so much on pace and quick passes – speed is more than physical speed. Reflexes and decision-making speed both slow as one ages too, and that is deadly in a team that plays the way Arsenal does.

I have said for many years that I wish Arsenal played more like Manchester United – they have a plan A, a plan B, and can cobble together a plan C if they need to, and each plan is a different style of playing. This allows Giggs to adapt and use his abilities as they decline and evolve over the years. Arsenal have committed to a style of play that doesn’t support playing guys as they get older, and I just fear that will leave Henry exposed as an average player in a really good team.

by pdb on Dec 29, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

to be fair, we've been running out some average players already over the last couple years

or some good players out of position at times.

I agree that slowing reflexes or decision-making could be problematic, but at this point I have trouble imagining that Thierry Henry couldn’t at least be the equal of Aaron Ramsey or Tomas Rosicky in the absence of Jack F’ing Wilshere at attacking mid.

Maybe that’s just because I’ve never been a huge fan of Ramsey’s style of play, though.

by rg643 on Dec 29, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right about that

Thierry Henry couldn’t at least be the equal of Aaron Ramsey or Tomas Rosicky

And that, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with bringing him back. I don’t need to see the best striker in Arsenal’s modern history compared with Tomas Rosicky.

by pdb on Dec 29, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

you say you hate nostalgia, and i agree, to some extent

but if he’s an upgrade for us right now, which is certainly possible until Jack is healthy, isn’t it being nostalgic to not sign him for fear of hurting his legacy?

by rg643 on Dec 29, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I also have a vested interest in seeing him full strength for MLS

and I fear that he will go full throttle, as Ben said above, and damage his MLS season.

by pdb on Dec 29, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

can we please accept that the mls is secondary lol

This team will be the death of me.

by NYflyGUY on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

MLS isn't even secondary

but it’s a league for which I have season tickets and a league that I want to see become more successful, and Henry’s a part of that.

by pdb on Dec 30, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

The skill set is different for a midfielder then a winger or a striker

It comes down to where on the field you play. I don’t mean position, I literally mean where on the field you get the ball. Players like Henry got the ball either in the final third or on a break away. Now, if you move him into a midfield position, you have a player who doesn’t track back to defend. Or at least not as much as a regular midfielder. Also, his passing wouldn’t necessarily be up to par. Henry has sight for goal, not an eye for the series of penetrating passes. Now, you can’t play him on the wing (his original position) because he doesn’t have the pace thanks to age. Really, the best position for a slower player is a striker because they just need to find the ball, some space and shoot. Except for breakaways, speed isn’t so important.

by Adnan Ilyas on Dec 30, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

1972 Willie Mays was a 2.2 WAR player

Thats league average….I wouldn’t hate Henry I just be PL average. Lord knows chamakh isn’t

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by VolsnCards5 on Dec 30, 2011 11:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

In the interest of full disclosure

I became an Arsenal fan after Henry left and hate that I missed watching him and those great Arsenal teams. So I personally just think it would be cool to see him in an Arsenal shirt again.

Now, if you don’t mind, I’ll be busy watching TH14 youtube vids.

by rg643 on Dec 29, 2011 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

First post here.

Henry to Arsenal makes a lot of sense, in the same way Sol coming back made sense.

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by JonesTheCat on Dec 29, 2011 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

And this doesn't?

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by Aidan Gibson on Dec 29, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

a good portion of them look borderline neanderthal.

This team will be the death of me.

by NYflyGUY on Dec 29, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If we sign him just to do this at every game

it will be worth every penny.

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by Match Day 5 on Dec 29, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone else thing Thierry saw United and Spurs on the fixture list

And thought “yeah, I fucking want some of that”

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by Aidan Gibson on Dec 29, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

the question now becomes...

what number does theo wear for 2 months?

This team will be the death of me.

by NYflyGUY on Dec 29, 2011 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

you can't change in season IIRC

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Dec 30, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

the FA is no fun.

This team will be the death of me.

by NYflyGUY on Dec 31, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't really see Henry playing in any big matches

I mean, we could see the pairing of RVP and Henry again, but RVP right now, in his prime, is way better than Henry is at this stage in his career. This loan only covers for Gervinho and Chamakh leaving for the African Cup, not to mention Chamakh could be gone by end of January anyways. I can only really see Henry playing in some FA Cup matches and maybe coming off the bench against the likes of Wigan and Blackburn…

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by bmasson11 on Dec 30, 2011 6:19 AM EST reply actions  

i find it really hard to believe that Wenger would refuse to give Park a chance with Gervinho and Chamakh out.

Henry should be the backup of the backup of the backup here. I’m thinking he will spend more time giving sage advice to the young’uns rather than bulging the net.

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by silverace99 on Dec 30, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

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