Cesc Fabregas and rumour
by Ted Harwood on Jul 20, 2011 4:49 PM EDT
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If you have been a part of this community for any length of time, you will have probably noticed a distinct lack of one particular type of commentary here: anything at all to do with the Cesc Fabregas "saga", or "story", or "journalism" thereof. This has been a long-standing personal policy of mine, one which has probably cost me approximately one kerflillion page views, but one all the same, because, at heart, the saga is an INVENTION* (in both the creation of something new sense and the musical sense of that word).
The theme that kicks this invention off is clear. It is obviously no secret that Cesc wants to return to Barcelona someday. He has said so himself on occasion. He is from Catalonia. This is known. However, he is under contract with Arsenal through the 2014-2015 season, which is a decision that he made willingly. Without getting into what contracts actually mean these days, one cannot dispute that this essentially gives all of the power to Arsenal in this situation.
The variations and "developments" around this story, though, sadly lack any of the punch of the original theme. There has actually been no change of merit in the story for two summers now: the basic pieces, as always, remain:
1) Cesc will someday return to Spain.
2) Barcelona squad members and supporters believe he is essentially Barcelona and hence displaced, despite having spent the majority of his playing career at Arsenal.
3) Arsenal would like a serious bid, proffered through the correct channel, i.e., the club itself.
4) Barcelona don't really have the funds for number 3.
5) Cesc is not their top target, which doesn't jibe well with number 2.
While number 1 is no doubt true, the endless vamping of numbers 2-5 is a media creation. As OleGunner put it to the BBC on Twitter in response to their question "Will it ever end?": "It's you media morons. Nothing has changed in Cesc to Barca story in 5 yrs".
The football media have become a postmodern Cesc echo chamber, forging the endless chain of speculation while simultaneously mocking it. This should come as no surprise, since the field of journalism has, at its core for 150 years, been about selling papers**. (That this very blog post is going to join the wide, slow river of Cesc stories flowing gently, inexorably toward the sea, whether I like it or not, certainly does bother me. One time only). The existence of twitter, which leads to more and more stories without source and rumors without basis, has culminated in this ludicrous exchange today:
Employees of the Arsenal club shop have been told NOT to accept orders with Fabregas' name on the back via @harryafcless than a minute ago via TweetDeck 
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Jamie Dalton
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@JamieDalton82 @harryafc It's bollocks. I was with my mate who physically bought one this morning. Attention seeking fools making stuff up.less than a minute ago via web Favorite Retweet Reply
Eren Taner
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Peeps #Arsenal they were told NOT to print a shirt for cesc FOR SATURDAYS GAME!!!!! Read it properly!!!!less than a minute ago via Twitter for iPhone Favorite Retweet Reply
Harry Michael
Harryafc
Jamie Dalton is a journalist with over 8,200 followers on twitter. We all know how avalanches start. We all know how twitter works. But the basis of journalism, credibility, is simply stretched/broken with tweets like this. There is no authority to this, no track record of years and years of being right about things, no naming of "anonymous sources", even. There is simply no reason to believe it or anything else appearing on the websites of famous broadsheets and tabloids.
The situation is clear. Arseblog has coined a brilliant phrase for it. Arsenal has set a price for Cesc Fabregas. Barcelona either matches it, or they don't. If they don't, they will not get him. It's that simple. There is no reason to report or say another single word (Xavi) about it as if it is anything new, until there is sourced, bedrock testimony that something has shifted in that stance. The rest is just staving off the boredom of summer.
The main reason I have not written anything here is because I firmly believe all of this. If I thought something new had honestly developed in the story since, oh, last May (it hasn't), then I would probably write something. Until then, it'll be kept to a minimum, and when brought up, will be in the interest of analyzing Arsenal's current long-term or tactical situation at its heart. I also don't see this blog's role, or my role, as weighing the relative character of clubs; it's far too large of a subject to get into here. Suffice it to say that no club in a top league is pure, virginal white from my perspective.
I just want the matches to start, dammit.
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** One man's opinion. Indulge me.
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Next year, when we are treated to yet another deluge of Cesc to Barca stories, you can just copy and paste this, change some dates, add a couple tweets, and it’ll be the one time we need to discuss this here.
In other news, Xavi is a buttbubble.
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The sad thing is
All Barca has to do is pay the required fee, and they would have them. It’s very simple, and yet they refuse to pay the fee, but keep talking and talking and talking.
It’s not Arsenal’s fault he is still in London and not Barcelona.
But yes, we are the bad club here….
In fairness, it's not really Barca's doing either
Most of these stupid quotes and responses are coming as answers to very direct questions from the media (again). It would probably be better if UEFA instituted a rule prohibiting clubs from commenting on players under contract with other clubs, but as they don’t have it I’m not sure you can fault them too much for what they actually have said (which at the club level isn’t much). The Spanish MSM makes The Sun look respectable, and clearly that takes some doing.
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 20, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand that completely.
But if John Terry, the ‘world renowned worst man in England’ (paraphrasing of course) can state ‘no comment’ when asked a direct question about Luka Modric, surely it’s not that difficult to do in Catulyna?
He didn't state "no comment" though
He said he’d be a great fit and he’s a great player, but the question was disrespectful towards Spurs. Really, he answered the question in as respectful a manner as he could and it still turned into a mess. Had The Sun been a spanish paper, that retraction and apology wouldn’t have ever happened, and I’m sure papers would still be blowing the story up (as they were prior to the retraction yesterday afternoon).
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 20, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for the clarification
I do wonder how accusing Arsenal of kidnapping Fabregas works out though. What kind of pointed question needs to be asked to get that kind of answer?
Wasn't that just a fan though?
Granted, it was a politician or something, but it still wasn’t related to the club
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 20, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree with your stance
For what it’s worth, I wonder if we do have a bit of news in the last day or so. Positive news in that Cesc might stay.
Yesterday, I was rather encouraged by seeing Cesc retweet two Arsenal fans yesterday, including one who had posted a photo of his 5 year old drawing Cesc and included in the photo caption that his son would be sad if Cesc left. It’s piling inference upon inference, sure, but I took some solace from seeing Cesc retweet that.
I think the public perception of Cesc right now is so distorted right now because of all this talk. Think to yourself: do you reallyknow what the real story is with him right now? Is he angry? Is he sad? Is he dismissive?
Because of that, it is really on Cesc to come out and talk. Up until now I appreciate the professionalism that he’s shown not entertaining the talk. That’s been a class move. During the season and the champions league Barca tie it was absolutely the right move. But now we are getting ready for a new season and our best player, no.10 and captain should probably set the record straight. He doesn’t have to but personally I’d appreciate it. He doesn’t have to do a definitive 2 hour interview on BBC about the transfer saga, but an official statement or something would be nice.
I understand the kid doesn’t wanna burn the bridge with Barcelona but please ease the wandering minds of the crazies and of the gooners.
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I think he's handled the situation as well as anyone can
I’m not sure him saying anything would make things any better. It would just start a different kind of storm in a different kind of teacup, you know?
and not only that
He’s had to handle it with class year in, year out. It’s not as if he’s responded to it once; Fab’s a classy guy.
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by 3k on Jul 21, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree that it's on Cesc
He is under contract to Arsenal, and is honoring that contract. He has no real say in it at this point. I’d rather he stayed quiet.
also:
Have you guys seen the horse shit they post on the barca blog? That scumbag who came in talking all his shit on the fan post he wrote in here wrote an entire article about arsenals controversies and unethical dealings in the transfer market. The whole interpretation of the Cesc situation they appear to have there was just so deluded. I laughed my ass off. That only shows the character of who writes there and the quality of the blog. It’s honestly disgraceful that the other editors of that site allowed it to be published.
That being said, I really appreciate the true professionalism you guys have here on TSF
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by NYflyGUY on Jul 20, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
and its so fitting that this writer turns out to be a child. Someone went on the comments and called him on his shit and it came out hes like 15. It’s such a childish mentality… ok so, we’re accused of being ‘unethical’ so here’s all the instances layed out in this article bit by bit where you were unethical in the past. yep, that settles everything lol.
And for the record i think most gooners wouldn’t even claim barcas actions unethical…. just kinda pathetic and annoying really.
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I'd love it if we could keep this on the topic of Cesc please
The Barca SBN blog has been thoroughly discussed here, and there’s really nothing more to say about it.
well its a microcosm of how people perceive the whole cesc narrative but if you insist yes. maybe we could start an official barca blog hate thread? lol
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I'd prefer to just ignore that blog altogether
by pdb on Jul 20, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What blog is that?
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
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by Aidan Gibson on Jul 20, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the fans in China said it best,
by Stephen Dedalus on Jul 20, 2011 6:05 PM EDT reply actions
I think Cesc has handled this situation quite well
Considering all the crap from people Barca related (players, coaches, higher-up’s, mayors…), I’m kind of glad that Cesc hasn’t really come out and addressed it directly. His Twitter feed pretty much shows that he knows he’s still contracted with Arsenal, and he still appreciates everybody at Arsenal and it’s fans. For the most part, I see Cesc still playing for Arsenal for at least another two years, but once that lone year is left on the contract, and definitely if we haven’t won anything by then, we will let Cesc go, and we’ll still respect him for his dedication for the past few years.
Thank you again Ted, for your sane and balanced view.
As for me, I’ve had it with Barca. I was pulling for them this past year because I hate Mourinho and Real Madrid’s ridiculous spending, but the utter cuntitude of Barcelona fans has put me over the edge. I hope they crash and burn.
If I were Wenger, every question I get about Cesc leaving I’d answer with “I think Xavi and Iniesta would be excellent players for Arsenal, I look forward to seeing them here in the near future” just to piss them off.
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Exactly
You know, Xavi and Iniesta grew up on the Holloway Road.
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by Ben Schneider on Jul 20, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Barca any better with their spending though?
The fact they they produced Xavi, Iniesta, and Messi seems to gloss over the fact that they routinely buy a player for 40 million plus every window (Ibra, Villa, Alves, and whomever they add this year). Madrid spends, but if anything they’ve been better than Barca since Mou took over with value buys like Ozil and Sahin.
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 20, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Believe it or not, they've outspent Chelsea since 2007
As much grief as Chelsea get for buying trophies, Barca have been worse.
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 20, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
And
let’s not forget that Barca play in Scotland south. Outside of Madrid, La Liga doesn’t have much quality. Ok, Valencia is decent, but it’s slim pickin’s. They get to coast through a league season each year and focus on Europe. Love to see them try and cope with a season in the Premier League.
Depends
on the standard of officiating. Regular premier league referees? Forget about it. If they could import UEFA Champions League crews, then they might be fine.
A full 38-game league season is marathon-esque when all 20 teams (or at least a good solid 12 to 17) are quite talented and capable of taking points off anyone else in any given week. That simply is not the case in Spain, where for weeks at a time Madrid and Barcelona can coast when they play the lesser lights. The weakened caliber of competition they face weekly puts their European performance in context — and recall, Madrid have been pretty mediocre the last 5 to 7 years. Barcelona would have a vastly more difficult time conquering Europe if it had truly difficult and demanding weekly league fixtures.
Fine being not relegated...sure
They certainly wouldn’t sniff the Champions League here though…much more likely to be in the hunt for that last Europa spot
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 21, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you being serious?
The squad they have right now could go down as one of the best ever squads in the history of the game, but they wouldn’t be able to make the Champions League playing in England?
I hate Barca with the best of them, but this is simply ludiacris
My mistake...reading KC's comment I assumed he was questioning how the likes of Valencia would cope in England
I think it’s pretty clear Barca and Real would be just fine (although they’d likely lose an awful lot more games here). After those two, however, I’m not sold on the idea that La Liga actually has another side that would routinely make Europa here.
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 21, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I still can't believe 40m + Eto'o for Ibra.
I like Ibra a lot as a player—tons, really—but that is a high price.
And let's put it this way
Do you really want to hear us talking about Cesc, all the time?
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by Match Day 5 on Jul 20, 2011 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Well stated
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by Aidan Gibson on Jul 20, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I would pay all kinds of money to hear Arsenal people answer the phone like this to Barca people when they call.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 21, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we should ask Xavi every day
The day he keeps his big fat gob shut is the day we’ll know that Cesc is about to be sold.
That said, this whole deal is particularly annoying after the entire ordeal with Theirry Henry. The major difference being that Henry was, even then, an Arsenal Legend, helping the team win trophies and success. Fabregas has done very little in all honesty to even worried about being sold. I mean, yeah, boy’s talented, but he certainly hasn’t fully delivered as advertised. Perhaps he is just a Barcelona Bench player.
Yes, because it was all Theirry Henry that won Arsenal all those trophies. It surely has nothing to do with the rock-solid back four, world class wingers and a Dutch maestro behind him.
Fabregas hasn’t delievered despite being a top 5 midfielder in the world, producing more chances in the last 5 years than almost any player. It’s Fabregas’ fault that the defense is a leaky faucet in need of repair.
Man, Fabregas sucks. Or something.
by DarrenV on Jul 20, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Might have to have a word with Xavi next time I play against. Probably at half time.
Cesc is a Arsenal player, he signed a contract. He must honor the contract and it’s as simple as that. Don’t like it? Put your money where your mouth is and buy him for the asking price. Football is a business and you signed a contract kid, so you’re going to honor that contract.
by danago on Jul 21, 2011 8:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Wow
Something you post that I totally agree with. Rec’d.
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by Ben Schneider on Jul 21, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing I don't understand about this
Why won’t Barcelona match the £40 million? It would seem to me that haggling over £5 million for a club like Barcelona, and over a player like Fabregas, is laughable. Childish even, in a stubborn temper-tantrum type of way. When you’re already offering £35 million, and you’re one of the Ten richest sporting entities in the entire world, what is an extra £5 million.
I’ve never walked a mile in Cesc’s shoes, and I don’t know anything about his life off the pitch, but I feel like I might even be insulted if I were him. This is, after all, the club he considers his home, but they won’t pony up an extra 5 million to bring him “home?” Strange way to go about bringing back a player you consider to have been “kidnapped.”
Because they can't afford him.
Barcelona’s finances are crap. All this postering about Cesc “belonging” to them, about how Cesc isn’t worth what he was last year because he’s a year older (HA!), all the bullshit from Xavi and Rosell and all those guys is an attempt to drive down the price. They want it to sound like Cesc doesn’t want to be anywhere but in Barcelona, so that other clubs won’t bid and his perceived transfer value will go down. So far Arsenal have resisted. We’ll see what happens now.
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by silverace99 on Jul 21, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
On an unrelated note
So far Arsenal have resisted. We’ll see what happens now.
I actually think Barcelona have done a good job, for lack of a better term, of turning this into a lose-lose situation for Arsenal, at least as far as the fan base is concerned. If Arsenal sell Cesc for less than 40, then most of the fans will decry Arsene for giving in to Barca’s media smear campaign. Likewise, however, if we keep him, then every single time he has a bad game or a not-so-pleasant press conference, a growing contingent of fans will point to the shortcomings of “holding onto a player who obviously doesn’t want to be here.” If that happens then there is only going to be more pressure on Arsenal to sell him below market value next season, both from disillusioned fans and from Barca, who can point and say “look, he doesn’t want to be there any more.” Either way, I’m sure the continuation of this media-driven sh**show will work wonders for our dressing room…
but people said the exact same thing last summer
I’m not worried about him “not wanting to be here”. In my opinion, he’s more than proven that he will give 100%, no matter what shirt he is wearing, and no matter where his heart is. He was plenty effective last year, even after Pepe Reina tried to pull a Barca shirt over his head.
I'm not worried about him actually "not wanting to be here," either.
What I was implying is that if we keep him, there will be the inevitably growing contingent of the fan base that uses that to say “look, we should have sold him and moved on,” every single time he has a bad game. For Barca, it’s all about putting pressure on the Arsenal board to force their hand in selling him at a discounted price.
ah, yeah, I see what you mean
I guess I try to ignore most of the whinier sections of the fanbase. At least Gazidis/Wenger/the Board don’t really spend a lot of time greasing the squeaky (there has to be a better way to say that, but I’m going to leave it anyhow).
Because they're flat-ass broke at this point, as silverace says.
They’re €400 million in debt right now and it’s only getting worse.
I don't buy it
I mean, I do buy that they’re in debt, don’t get me wrong, that’s a fact. But they just spent 28 million Euros (don’t know how to make the symbol on mac, too lazy to look) on Alexis sanchez, with the ability to make it up to 39 in incentives. They’re prepared to spend 40 million Euros (£35 million) on Cesc. That’s anywhere between 68-79 million Euros in transfers on two players. Financially struggling or not, you’re telling me that an extra 5 million is what is stopping them at this point? Yeah, right.
they have said all summer that Cesc is not their number one target this season though
So given their “limited” resources, they’re spending their money on other players right now and want Cesc relatively cheaply. They won’t get him.
but they only had, according to the article above, 40m Euros to spend
If they had the money, and wanted Cesc, they wouldn’t hesitate to spend it. They spent 40m and an Eto’o on Zlatan Ibrahimovic, you know?
Well they've upped it 15 million between Bojan and Romeu
Likely another 5 for Jeffren. Etock (who Chelsea signed as a free) will likely add about 2 million or so more after they settle on the “training fee”. That’s almost the entire upfront fee for Sanchez right there.
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 21, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem for teams like Barcelona and Madrid...
is that they aren’t owned by one owner, or between a few owners, but rather between all the supporters. You can’t buy shares in the club, instead, you buy a membership at a set price, and you become an owner of the piece of the club. There’s also rules that state that you can only put down so much money for the club, in order to keep a balance between everybody. Basically, these teams are owned by the cities that they play for. They lack the financial backing of a rich, singular owner like a Roman Abramovich or a royal sheik. Add that to the fact that Barcelona has the highest average player salary in the world, and that they spend more money than they can bring in on club membership. Not to mention, if you raised prices on membership, then you begin to lose supporters buying into the club and lose more income. It’s a severely flawed system if you begin to spend massive amounts of cash like Barca has begun to in the past six years…
by UMDfutbol11 on Jul 22, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The ownership alone is not what has propelled Real Madrid and Barca to where they are though
The way TV revenue is split in Spain is utterly ridiculous. RM and Barca split 35% of the total TV revenue (including PPV), Valencia and Atletico Madrid split 11%, and the other 14 clubs split the remaining 54%. That pretty much entrenches the fact that RM and Barca will always be at the top of the pile, revenue-wise; small teams are left fighting for the crumbs.
The Spanish league is one of the most imbalanced leagues in the world – not to say that RM and Barca would be average teams in any other league, because they’re fantastic, it’s just that no other team in Spain has the ability to compete with them in terms of revenue, which means they’ll never be in the market for the same caliber of player that the two big boys are.
in regards to that last part
Is the premiership that much better? We have a big 5.5 rather than a big 2, but the other 14 or so teams in the league don’t have much chance of big name signings either. Lionel Messi ain’t gonna sign for Newcastle/Blackburn/whatever….
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by silverace99 on Jul 22, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, you're right about that
but that disparity is not institutionalized in the revenue stream the way it is in Spain – teams in England split TV revenue equally. Teams are in control of their Internet streaming rights, which is where the bigger boys get an edge (and then there’s the MUTV thing, which is another cash cow), but the last place team in the Premiership still gets 1/20 of the TV revenue, the same as the first place team.
Every league has its bigger and smaller clubs, but not every league sets up its revenue stream in a way that smaller clubs can never get big (or even mid-size) the way Spain does.
Well, it’s not exactly equal. The more times you are shown on Sky, the more money you recieve from them, and the higher standing on the table each year gives you more.
And since ManUtd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool are typically shown the most on Sky, the recieve much more.
But it is certainly more equal than in Spain.
Ground size, merchandising, and sponsorships are what entrench differences in the PL
That’s where the large disparities come from. One of the best examples is to compare the money Everton make from Goodison Park gate receipts with what we make from the Emirates. The gap is big.
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by Ben Schneider on Jul 22, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not arguing that the Premier League is some sort of Elysian utopia of fairness
but at least in England, clubs are not hobbled from the get-go by an unfair media rights package. Big clubs will always have an advantage, sure – that’s why Arsenal built the Emirates in the first place, because they couldn’t keep up with United monetarily. I just hate to see a situation where the other clubs have no power whatsover to change their circumstances, as it is in Spain.
Absolutely solid write up Ted.
Finally somebody says it. And tells it like it is.
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