A New Captain For Arsenal
With Cesc Fabregas gone, Arsene Wenger will have to make time between looking for a replacement and trying to sort out Samir Nasri's possible transfer situation to pick the Spanish midfielder's successor as Arsenal captain. The 2011-12 season Wikipedia page has already been changed to state that Robin van Persie will take up the armband, but perhaps Wenger should take a bit more time to consider his options.
Wenger's last four captains have had their spells with the armband end in a sour fashion: since Tony Adams retired on top as skipper of the 2001-2 Double-winning side, Patrick Vieira, Thierry Henry, William Gallas, and Fabregas have lost the armband due to long-anticipated transfers or personal spats, a record which surely has not helped the Gunners in recent years.*
Vieira's captaincy was certainly the best of the four. Two FA Cups and an unbeaten league title in three seasons, due both to the quality and experience of the entire squad as well as the drive and ability of the French midfielder. When he departed for Juventus in the summer of 2005, Thierry Henry was probably a logical and sensible choice to take over the mantle of Arsenal skipper. In two seasons under Henry, the Gunners slipped backward in the league, but made a couple of good cup runs. Unfortunately, persistent injury problems meant that Gilberto Silva wore the armband for much of the end of the 2006-7 season, before Henry was sold to Barcelona.
Gilberto and Kolo Toure were both vice-captains in 2006-7, but Wenger decided to pass over those two and hand the armband to the mercurial William Gallas in the summer of 2007. Despite his temperament, the decision looked a masterstroke as Gallas raised his performances in the first half of the 2007-8 season, including vital goals against Manchester United, Wigan, and Chelsea. However, his leadership crumbled as Arsenal did in the second half of the season, epitomized by his oft-referenced tears on the pitch at St. Andrew's after the 2-2 draw against Birmingham in which...you know what happened.
Gallas continued as captain into the 2008-9 season, finally being stripped of the armband in unceremonious fashion after some less-than-complimentary comments about other Arsenal players. Wenger, in an atypically bold move, passed over Touré again and gave the captaincy to Fabregas, making him the youngest Arsenal captain since Tony Adams. Fabregas' performances with the armband were quite good on the whole, but he was not able to re-form the psychology of the team to prevent two more late-season collapses, and occasionally allowed his personal desires (not in the Ryan Giggs way) to get in the way of the team, namely by playing while clearly injured against Barcelona in the Champions League in both 2009-10 and 2010-11.
And now Fabregas, too, has been sold, and yet again Wenger has to find a new man to wear the armband. Van Persie is probably the obvious choice, but he's not the only option available. The importance of the captain is difficult to quantify, but for a mentally fragile team like Arsenal, a good captain could be the difference between winning trophies and another late season collapse.
The Odds-On Favorite
This is clearly van Persie. He's worn the armband before in the absence of Fabregas, is probably now the best player on the team, has some tenacity and fight about him, and has been with the club long enough to understand Arsenal. On the other hand, he is an injury waiting to happen, and as we saw with Fabregas, a captain can't make much of a difference if he's on the sidelines for half of the season.
The Reliable Guy
Thomas Vermaelen is only entering his third season with Arsenal (and only his second as an active player), but has the experience of captaining Ajax and the Belgian national team, as well as a fiery and competitive streak. However, he has only played one full season for the Gunners, and appointing him skipper could ruffle the feathers of a few more experienced and longer-tenured players.
The Massive Gamble
If Wenger thinks making Fabregas the captain worked, then he may try a similar trick with another very young midfielder. That's right, I'm suggesting that Jack Wilshere could (and probably should) be on the shortlist for the captaincy. In terms of mentality and knowledge of the club, Wilshere is a perfect choice. He's not totally on the straight-and-narrow off the pitch, but neither was Adams, and he was extremely successful as skipper. The problem with Wilshere is that he just doesn't have enough experience yet. While Fabregas had played four full seasons before taking up the armband, Wilshere has had just one, and is a couple years younger than the man he may replace.
Looking through the Arsenal squad, I don't see any other reasonable options to take over the captaincy, which speaks volumes about the lack of leadership in the team. Whomever Wenger chooses, he will have a monumental task ahead in trying to turn around the team and win the fans back.
*For comparison, Man United have had two captains since 1997 (Vidic, this season, will be the third) and Chelsea have had two since 2000.
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Three League titles, three FA Cups, two League Cups
Not shabby, even though he’s a total bastard.
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by Ben Schneider on Aug 15, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Wayne Bridge's wife disagrees.
Captain, there are doubt's...
"It’s a good opportunity to show we have the strength to respond" - Arsene Wenger, 2011
I was reading about that situation
And as it turns out, they found Terry didn’t boff Wayne’s wife. But the media didn’t correct themselves so now their (terry et al) reputations are in the shitter.
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Wow, I hadn't heard that.
Is that online somewhere?
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I saw it on a new documentary video but yeah there are web links:
Here is an example.
A couple newspapers basically apologized, but somehow it all got drowned out and a lot of people still don’t seem to know about this.
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Was it a phone hack?
Maybe not since it turned out to be false (I read they were using hacking to validate rumors and such before publishing).
Meh, I guess I’ll have to go to making jokes about John Harkes sleeping with Eric Wynalda’s wife.
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I love the phrasing of that
Miss Perroncel has since informed us that she would have preferred her personal information to remain private and it was untrue in any case.
It was untrue….which is why you wish it hadn’t come out. Right.
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by Ben Schneider on Aug 15, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
So because she wants privacy means that she's guilty of something?
The old, “If you have nothing to hide, why are you afraid” routine?
If people were stalking you to get info on your private life, I’m pretty sure you’d be unhappy about that, whether you had anything to hide or not……
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I'm very much for privacy, unless there is a public interest
which there was not in this case (just because the public is interested doesn’t mean there is a public interest).
I’m saying the phrasing makes it sound like she’s both denying that she had an affair with Terry and admitting it. That’s what was funny.
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by Ben Schneider on Aug 15, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i can sort of see that.
but it wasn’t a quote so I’m more incline to think it’s just bad phrasing.
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I think it depends on the captain and on the team
Some teams need a captain more than others.
IMHO, Arsenal is one of those teams. Too easily in late game we fall apart and there is nobody to haul everyone up by the seat of their pants and rally them. I like the idea of Vermaulen and Wilshere, both of them have demonstrated two qualities I would ask for in a captain: Passion and a willingness to give commands.
Van Persie is a walking injury, I can’t see him making a good captain.
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Not at all
Solid leadership is a massive plus, but an armband doesn’t change that in the slightest
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 15, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Szczesny?
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I favor Vermaelen, but I’m not opposed to Van Persie. I can see Wilshere as a future captain, but appointing him now would be madness. Also, I wouldn’t rule out Clichy…
I agree with Stephen in that genuine leadership skills and gravitas, not an armband, are what matter. I have no way of knowing this and perhaps it’s falling for the media stereotype, but it’s easy to suspect both are lacking at the club.
You're right Tony Adams would make a good captain.
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Aug 15, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rule out Clichy.
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by Ben Schneider on Aug 15, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is hilarious.
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by Match Day 5 on Aug 15, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Sagna?
He is probably too reserved and doesn’t play a position where you traditionally see a captain, but hes been around for longer than Verm and doesn’t get hurt like RvP.
"You need big shoulders to play for Arsenal. The cannon is heavy." - Thierry Henry
The only time I've seen Sagna fired up enough to be captain was in that game he got sent off last year.
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by Ben Schneider on Aug 15, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
*when he got sent off last year
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by Ben Schneider on Aug 15, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he just doesn't have the personality to be a captain
Not taking anything away from him, he’s a fantastic player, but he’s just not the captain type.
That's my concern as well.
Love the player, but maybe doesn’t have the mentality. I never thought Gallas would have the mentality either, but I think something can change when you are given that responsibility.
"You need big shoulders to play for Arsenal. The cannon is heavy." - Thierry Henry
Captain Jack sounds piratey. Johnny Depp style!
But I think our captain should be a mentally stable, defensive presence. Someone who can anchor our team, and can basically tell our attacking players to stop mucking about and help the defense.
It also takes the pressure off our more creative attacking players to just concentrate on doing their jobs (scoring, playmaking) instead of worrying about trying to lead by example and shit like that.
Vermaelen probably is the best candidate we have in our team for captaincy and I have no problems with him having the armband. In fact, I feel that could help us get over Cesc’s absence quicker, simply because Verm seems like a different type of personality to Cesc — more vocal, more physical, more… tall.
As for vice-captain… RvP is probably the most deserving, but again, I don’t want to saddle him with the pressures of responsibility. Still, it’s not like Kos or Djourou, Song or Jack or Theo or Ramsey (isn’t he captain of something Welsh?) would be better candidates than RvP, so I think by default, RvP is our vice capt.
My 3rd captain may be Captain Morgan… because drinking is often the only way I can get through a season with Arsenal.
This.
Stephen Jackson, I'm guessing
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Captain Jack, small forward basketball player in the NBA?
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by silverace99 on Aug 16, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
steven jackson was a St. louis ram before the lockout
not sure now but IU think he’s still there
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Aug 16, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd go with Vermaelen
He’s not the loudest guy your going to find, but if I want my captain up there pushing forward, that’s your man. As far as the motivation factor goes, and seniority, then yes, I’d pick RVP, but for two players that always seem to get injured, my next dark horse pick would have to be Ramsey, he already captains the Welsh nationals, and I think he’d provide a new energy for Arsenal if he was given the armband
I would be fine with either Van Persie or Vermaelen
I think both have leadership qualities. Van Persie has Arsenal at heart and wants to will us to victory as much as anyone, plus he has that little bit of a fiery attitude that a captain needs. Vermaelen has a track record of being captain, being Ajax’s when we bought him. He also has that fire that Van Persie has, but I think what might be holding him back from being captain is that he just hasn’t been here that long. I think a defender or midfielder is just better positionally at being captain but there have been good captains who were forwards as well.
Confirmed: it's RvP; TV vice-captain
probably the most solid choices given the current state of things.
I can live with that.
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by silverace99 on Aug 16, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Very good selection
Cesc may have given us 100% all the time here at Arsenal, but he wasn’t a very vocal leader on the pitch, only occasionally, like when Ramsey got his shin split in half. I feel like RVP is that vocal leader that we need, and Vermaelen is a great second choice to fall back on, like in the case of RVP getting sent off for horrible reasons and losing him for a CL match…
Can't argue.
Probably the only two choices really.
Wilshere is probably 3rd captain. Followed by… Almunia (Noooooooooooooo).
This.
szczesny
seems to sprint the length of the field to be involved when things are against his team… normally gets booked for it but its nice to see passion
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
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