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Arsenal's Gervinho appeal denied; crap.

Gervinho, sent off on Saturday.

The FA have turned down Arsenal's appeal of a three-match domestic ban for violent conduct for forward Gervinho today, according to the official club website. Gervinho will miss Arsenal's matches against Liverpool, Manchester United, and Swansea.

The incident leading to the suspension has been covered pretty extensively, but to recap: with 20 minutes left in the match against Newcastle on Saturday, Gervinho was clipped on the foot in the penalty area by Cheik Tiote. He went to ground, but referee Peter Walton wasn't interested; Joey Barton, though, was very interested, to the point that he lifted Gervinho off the ground by his shirt collar while screaming at him. Surrounded by three Newcastle players and in various states of brawl, Gervinho eventually managed to slap Barton on the side of the head in frustration. Barton looked bemused, then surprised, then fell over.

Although there is no specific rule against raising hands to another player, it is de facto a red card in today's Premier League, and Gervinho was de facto'd right off the pitch by Walton for violent conduct. Barton, amazingly, was only given a caution, despite having hoisted a large human off the ground by a bit of polyester around his neck. For his role in the brawl, the yellow; apparently not a penalty to Arsenal, though, although the ball was in play when Barton decided to ignore it and turn around to berate the Ivorian (who, to be fair, had gone down a bit easily earlier in the match).

So, to be clear: EVEN AFTER EXTENSIVE VIDEO REVIEW*, the FA appear to have reached the following decision:

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- Taking refereeing into one's own hands Batman-style, lifting a man up violently by his collar while screaming undeservedly in his face, shaking him, surrounding him: "Take it easy, tiger".

- Slapping a man on the side of the skull after being manhandled and berated by half of the opposition, undeservedly: "you violent scamp! How dare you! Leave my pitch at once!" (And yes, it is true that retaliation always gets punished. That's just sports. But: dammit.)

- Walton's decision-making: sigh. It's just like when he was in charge when Alex Song stamped on Joey Barton (oh, that was the same match? Oh!), when Lee Bowyer stamped on Bacary Sagna, and when Ryan Shawcross broke Aaron Ramsey's leg for a year! But hey; he gets a holiday this week, according to Sam Wallace of the Independent.

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*I have no idea whether they actually scrutinized the tape again in light of the appeal, but I'd like to think that they might.

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What's with Walton's round red card?

Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
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by Aidan Gibson on Aug 16, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

He probably ate the corners or something

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by Thomas Wachtel on Aug 17, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's probably as old as he is and as out of shape as he is

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Aug 17, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

When do find out Song is kicked off the team or some bullshit

I mean if that is 3 games Song’s has to be 5-10

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Aug 17, 2011 1:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Complete crap.

No reasonable person could watch what Barton did and think that he shouldn’t get penalized as well.

by docjay0 on Aug 17, 2011 1:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

they could not penalize him due to the referee booking him

It doesn;t make since.
I figured taking that into light they would reduce it to 1 game

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Aug 17, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gervinho

Barton showed no respect to Gervinho and if you look at it its more like a racist action , how he undermined Gervinho, would he have done the same to Rooney ?

by Dallington Mwerenga on Aug 17, 2011 3:38 AM EDT reply actions  

thats not a fair comparison

Rooney is an established star in the PL Gervinho was making his debut.

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Aug 17, 2011 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Barton is a thug/yob ect

He will do that to anyone, its in his genetic code.

by meadow on Aug 17, 2011 7:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think this is going a bit far

There is absolutely no reason to start playing the race card here

by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 17, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Barton just needs anger management, and a good kick up the ass.

by meadow on Aug 17, 2011 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No credibility at all in regards to discipline.

The FA is only creating more frustration and anger with their lack of transparency and incomprehensible decision making. This will lead to more players deciding to take action themselves rather than wait for the so called “officials.”

More violence will result, not less.

Captain, there are doubt's...

"It’s a good opportunity to show we have the strength to respond" - Arsene Wenger, 2011

by Match Day 5 on Aug 17, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Unbelievable

I can’t believe we’ve started another season with the same old crap from the EPL. Barton should’ve been de facto’d too, and had he been I’d shake my head but at least accept both were punished for going over the line, simple as that.

But the fact Barton gets essentially nothing boggles me then and now. I don’t believe in reputation calls, but um, maybe the guy’s history just might be a hint that Walton should pay more attention? (Oh, I forget. He does pay attention; he just possesses zero judgment.)

And now I’m ticked at myself for naively, year after year, expecting the EPL to get it together.

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by Dominik on Aug 17, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Playing devil's advocate here...Arsenal need to learn to deal with the EPL rules

Don’t get me wrong, I love Arsenal’s style of play. But for five years, I’ve seen Arsenal get pushed around, get their legs broken, get screwed on penalty calls in the box (on both sides of the ball), and get screwed by the EPL’s and Champions League’s rules on yellow and red cards. After 5 years, I don’t feel like playing the victim anymore.

I’d rather see an EPL with 20 teams that played Arsenal’s style, but that isn’t the case. The EPL has established a certain level of physicality that it allows, and certain levels that it won’t allow. These are just the rules that everyone has to play by even if the rules don’t always make sense, and we don’t agree with them. Arsene Wenger, Arsenal, and Arsenal fans hold themselves to a higher standard of football, and there is a large amount of pride we can take away from that. But by doing so, we are putting ourselves at a disadvantage. We either have to accept that, or we have to adapt to the EPL rules, cuz the EPL isn’t going to change for Arsenal.

by Loose Seal on Aug 17, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

The lack of a Plan B has been Arsenal's Achilles heel for years now

I’m all for high standards, but if you gotta knock someone over, do it.

by pdb on Aug 17, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn accidental post. And then internet went down.

What I wanted to type:

With you about becoming more physical ourselves. However, we’ve not always had a great FA record when we push back against the ‘kick Arsenal off the pitch’ teams.

I’m not sure about the stats but I think in like the first 10 years of Arsene’s Arsenal, where we had players who could mix it up a bit with our opponents, we had something along the lines of 57 red cards in that time or something ridiculous like that. Even back then, we couldn’t get the measure of EPL rules (it did feel like they had a different set of rules to use against us).

On the other hand, the first 10 years of Arsene’s Arsenal (1996-2006) were our most successful spell in English football. So maybe all that time we spent reduced to 10 men were character building blocks to what were championship teams.

This.

by elfboy_ on Aug 17, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree somewhat

I do think that Song’s ban is warranted, and I do think that players should work more to resist the provocations of players like Barton. And Arsenal used to be more physically robust—-but that’s another topic.

The problem for me, here, is that if you look at this incident neutrally—players A, B, and C, for teams X and Y—it just doesn’t look right. Oh well.

by Ted Harwood on Aug 17, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is silly

from Paul Wilson in the Guardian:

“Grabbing an opponent by his shirt front and giving him the benefit of your forthright opinion may be sailing close to the wind in terms of acceptable behaviour, but it stops short of violence.I am still not really sure what Barton did to warrant even his yellow card. It was not his place to decide that Gervinho had dived and take matters into his own hands, but try finding that offence in the rule books. It was easy to understand why he may have felt annoyed.”

Are you fucking serious, Mr. Wilson? Try grabbing someone by the collar in the street one night and see how it’s interpreted.

by Ted Harwood on Aug 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Dale Inman on the Soccernet podcast also said the punishment for Barton was justified

Grabbing somebody by the collar and dragging them up is an invite for violence, what Barton did was inexcusable, and his rant on Twitter about it was even worse, the FA just needs to kick this guy to the curb and ban him for a year

by UMDfutbol11 on Aug 17, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I just fail to see

how grabbing someone by their collar and screaming at them is less “violent” than a slap. If you grab someone by their collar and shake them in the street, it’s assault. If you slap someone, it’s assault.

by Ted Harwood on Aug 17, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Barton wouldn't let got of Gervy's shirt

which is what prompted the slap. Gervy’s initial response WAS to stay clam and not retaliate. It was only after Barton persisted in being aggressive, and after the officials made it clear that they were going to do nothing that Gervy HAD to defend himself.

This was all created by the ref’s and the FA’s inaction.

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by Match Day 5 on Aug 17, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most other leagues do this.

Apparently the FA is smarter than everyone else?

Again, no credibility.

Captain, there are doubt's...

"It’s a good opportunity to show we have the strength to respond" - Arsene Wenger, 2011

by Match Day 5 on Aug 17, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with Gervinho's and Song's punishments

They did things that deserved punishment, you can’t hit players in the head, even if it’s just a gentle womanly slap, and you can’t step on players, especially with cleats. The only thing I’m infuriated about, is Walton’s decision to only give Barton a yellow. If Diaby got sent off for a shove, and Gervinho got sent off for a slap, clearly pulling somebody up by the collar off the ground and screaming at him is out of line and totally deserves a red also. Give Taylor a yellow just for being plain stupid at suggesting Barton got elbowed (what a numpty).

by UMDfutbol11 on Aug 17, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Diaby was red carded for almost having his leg broken

and RVP was red carded after being choked (though that was UEFA)

But everyone else is right: We’re the ones who whine too much.

Captain, there are doubt's...

"It’s a good opportunity to show we have the strength to respond" - Arsene Wenger, 2011

by Match Day 5 on Aug 17, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well Cesc made his first appearance for Barca

And won some silverware already after one game. Took part in the winning goal and drew a gruesome 2 footed tackle form Marcelo which sparked a mini-riot on the pitch. What a debut!

by Scrupio on Aug 17, 2011 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, RM acted like a-holes at the end there.

Black mark on what was a really good game.

Captain, there are doubt's...

"It’s a good opportunity to show we have the strength to respond" - Arsene Wenger, 2011

by Match Day 5 on Aug 17, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

In our defense,

We won the Emirates cup whenever Cesc played for us.

I’m in a sad place.

This.

by elfboy_ on Aug 17, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

And can I just say again

that we should have had a penalty for this. Or, if you’re Chris Waddle, a pelanty.

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by Ben Schneider on Aug 18, 2011 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I was screaming “PELANTY! PELANTY!! PELANTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

by King Oskar on Aug 19, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

I have been helping a buddy learn more about the game and understand some of the oddities that happen. We watched the replay of this game and spent about 15 min discussing how one player would get yellow and another get red. I finally ended it the discussion saying that it would be reviewed and more than likely both players would end up on game suspensions. So glad I had faith in the “right” decision to be made in the end, only to have it thrown back in my face…

by Timothy Winning Voyles on Aug 18, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

They're following their rules as strictly as possible

No flexibility or common sense.

No one (I know, crazy) saw Barton grab Gervinho. If you watch, the ref turns away and signals play-on just as Barton steps towards Gervy. The linesman?? So when the ref turns back, all he sees is the scuffle and then the slap: red for Gervinho (punch or not you should’t strike a guy in the head). The refs huddle on the end line and someone probaly tells the ref that Barton started the whole thing: yellow (pretty common for an aggressive act).

However, for the FA to not realize that all of these on field rulings, through no fault of the refs, were completely unjust and in fact more likely to lead to further violent behavior is simply idiotic and unfathomable. The refs did there best with incomplete information. The FA did nothing with complete information. Absurd.

Captain, there are doubt's...

"It’s a good opportunity to show we have the strength to respond" - Arsene Wenger, 2011

by Match Day 5 on Aug 18, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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