So, what happens now?
We all saw it. We talk about it in the upcoming podcast (SPOILER ALERT: Not happily!). I have no need to recap it. It was ugly. This is a known fact. There have been many Arsenal losses in my time as an Arsenal fan that I could just shrug off, say "eh, they had a bad day", and think that the next game would bring a turnaround, and that Arsenal would play like Arsenal again. This one, though, felt different.
Those of you who know me - or even those of you who only internet-know me - know that there are two things about sports that I hate. One is the whole "WE HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO WIN" canard (you don't! You really don't! Just ask the Tampa Bay Rays!), and the other is rosterbation. I absolutely loathe the whole "let's get X player and do this with him" discussion that is rampant in American sports, because almost none of the floated trades/roster construction conversations ever has any basis in reality, and it's supremely uninteresting to me. I realize that makes me a minority in the sports-fan world, but there we are.
And yet, and yet. It's the Tuesday after a really ugly loss - a loss in which Arsenal looked out of their depth. I don't mean to sound snobbish, and this is to take nothing away from Swansea City who are unbelievably tough at home, but Arsenal should not be looking out of their depth against Swansea City. Like most coaches/managers, I can accept losing if a team plays as hard as they can - sometimes, things just don't go your way. But I can't accept games like this weekend's, when Arsenal never looked even close to being competitive, especially in midfield.
The question, then, is what is to be done?
I have long been of the school of thought that we should trust Arsenal and the board and the coaching staff, and trust that they are developing players that are going to be good enough to keep Arsenal at the highest level of the Premiership. I understand that a lot of Arsenal players are hurt or on international duty right now, but the players that were on the pitch this weekend are clearly not getting the job done. As players come back from injury, that will help, but I think I'm finally at the point where I believe money needs to be spent, and players need to be brought in.
This, though, is the problem with January. Who do you bring in? Teams - even struggling teams - aren't going to sell their best players in the middle of the season, because they need both the gate revenue their star players attract and the playing quality those players bring to the game. So do you look overseas? Maybe, but how long does it take a player who is not used to the Premier League to get used to it?
As with all good questions, then, there is no easy answer. So I will open up my original question to you. What should Arsenal do, given that the recent dip (okay, the most recent dip) in Arsenal's form is coinciding with the transfer window?
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We could use reinforcements I think
a forward and a defender but I think we’ll be alright when players come back.
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions
I actually think we need midfielders more than defenders.
We have five viable midfielders, two of whom are often hurt. Despite the unbelievable injuries to our fullbacks, Gibbs aside, they’re mostly healthy.
by Ted Harwood on Jan 17, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
we need to buy some new players even if we weren't IN CRISIS
Because our second unit like Arshavin and Djourou are not gettin’ it done.
Also, we may need another left fullback unless we want to play until March with no width down that side. Miquel is actually pretty decent for a youth, but he’s prone to basic mistakes defensively that even Santos doesn’t make.
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I very much feel that a combination of methods are in order
I think LANS is optimal since we have an unusual number injured players. With Sagna, Santos, and Wilshire back, the team will certainly be stronger. However, I am a believer that clubs should not be a business. They shouldn’t’ make a profit. And Arsenal have been making a profit. The money that is generated should be used (at least most of it) either to pay off debts or to reinvest in the club. Also, it is unfair on the folks who go to games to have to pay so much for a team that honestly doesn’t have a chance of winning the league if the owners don’t try to improve the team.
I'm not sure I agree with the not-for-profit idea
but I definitely agree that the cost to the fans for this mess is too high.
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You really think being a not-for-profit team will result in lower ticket prices if the team struggles?
The only way ticket prices drop is if fans stop showing up. And it has been proven throughout the years that fans will never stop showing up, so clubs – for-profit or not – have no incentive to drop ticket prices.
No, what I mean is that fans already pay so much money that goes into a pocket, instead of back into the team
Sure, the club can charge that much. However, the profits made should be reinvested in some way so that the club either breaks even or makes a slight profit. That isn’t happening right now. If the profit that is made goes back into paying wages/transfer fees, then Arsenal would be able to buy some significant players. If the club won’t reinvest, then it isn’t fair to charge that much money.
fairness has nothing to do with the business of sports though
Never has, never will.
the profits made should be reinvested in some way so that the club either breaks even or makes a slight profit.
For-profit businesses never operate like this. I know that was your point, but it bears repeating – Arsenal is a business, and as such it exists to enrich its shareholders first and foremost. “Fair” has nothing to do with it.
I would like to point out that next to no soccer club makes a profit
The only major team outside of the Bundesliga to make a significant profit is Arsenal. So really, the owners are impairing their own team by not spending a little more money
by Adnan Ilyas on Jan 19, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
ManU would be profitable
but they were purchased with leverage so their profit goes to paying of those lenders.
Captain, there are doubt''s...
ManU is ranked as one of the least profitable clubs
Yeah, they have a huge debt, but so does Barca.
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In fairness to United, their loss include many exceptional expenses related to the restructuring of their loans and they have recently announced a £30 million profit before tax for 2011.
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If we could figure out a way to boost our commercial income up closer to ManU
we’d be a lot better off. We have room to grow, them, not so much. Look what just happened to Liverpool with there kit contract with Adidas.
For me, what’s disconcerting is that Liverpool has been out of the CL for a couple years, ManU is playing in the Europa this year. Yet, they don’t seem to care and no one else seems to care, however, if we don’t make, EVERYONE (fans, media, opponents, players) will go crazy. To the point that failure becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Instead of a narrative about a team hit hard by injuries and the defection (for very unique circumstances) of the player we were built around the narrative will be that Wenger is over, the team is poorly run and won’t spend money, and there is no reason for any decent player to want to come here.
No one says this about anyone else but they will say this about Arsenal.
Captain, there are doubt''s...
by Match Day 5 on Jan 21, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
The league pampers money spenders
And Man U.
I think this is a complicated problem that's going to end up having a complicated solution (if any).
I agree with you both that rosterbation is irrational (though I do it, like pretty much everyone), and that we may need to make some deals in order to not totally suck the rest of this year. There are some extenuating circumstances that give problems though.
1. We have a ton of players already. Some of them are making a bunch of money. All of them are taking up spots on the roster. The latter is relatively easily solved, but I don’t know that we’re really in a financial position to just stock up on players, so we’d likely have to sell to buy. The problem there is that if we don’t want these players, other teams aren’t all that likely to want them either, and you can’t just force teams to buy your dead weight.
2. Good players may prefer to go somewhere else. I’m an Arsenal fan so obviously I’m biased, but when I take that out of the equation I’m really not sure why a player would want to come here. We’re not that good this year, the fans are all pissed off constantly, we don’t pay particularly well, and we may not have Champions League football next year. What’s the draw? I know there’s history, but we don’t exactly have the market cornered on that. It would likely take some convincing, and more cash than usual.
3. Teams won’t want to sell good players. When we look at the names being thrown around, they mostly come from non-awful teams. What incentive do Dortmund have to sell us Mario Gotze now, for example? Unless he demands a move out, it’s really only money, and honestly at this point Wenger would shock me if he spent more than 15m on a player. If he did, maybe it would work, but unless there’s a pretty monumental change in our transfer strategy I don’t know why a team would sell to us in January, unless a player’s contract is up in the summer.
4. Players take a while to bed in, if at all. So say we convince a team to sell us a player, and convince him to actually come here, and trick some sucker into buying Squillaci and Almunia. What happens if it doesn’t help? If we’re buying outside of England, it’ll probably take a little while at least for the player to acclimatize to the league, and even if not, at most of the positions we have need for (like playmaking midfielder) it’ll take the player a while to bed in with this team. And if you’ll recall, our current record purchase is Arshavin, who’s now (less than three years later) worn out his welcome, and he’s one of the deadweight players who would need to be cleared out to buy. This could happen again.
So in short, we have to sell players nobody wants in order to buy players who may not want to come here from teams who won’t want to sell, and even if we succeed they may not help. So yeah, it’s more complex than just spending money, shockingly enough. This isn’t me saying we shouldn’t do it – on the contrary, I think we should if we can – but my point is that complaining each day that we haven’t bought anyone yet! isn’t really rational. I hate to be that guy, because I love the game, but it’s harder to buy players in real life than in Football Manager. It’s not a quick fix, or an easy solution.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 17, 2012 11:55 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
sorry that was like the longest comment ever
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 17, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
You could've made a whole piece out of that. :cD
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Should have made a whole piece out of that.
by Adnan Ilyas on Jan 17, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
if it helps, it looked shorter in the little comment box
either way, it’s intended as a response to this, so it should probably be here anyway. I don’t want to usurp Paul, anyway!
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 17, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think your #2 is pretty on the nose
Arsenal will be a tough sell for players this month, and in the summer. Sports are cyclical, and I think Arsenal are in the downward part of their cycle right now – hopefully it won’t last long, but I really think they’ll struggle to attract top-name talent here in the next season or so.
I honestly can't think of any reason to come here
unless someone really wants to be a hero and save us from the Europa League. It’s upsetting, but I have to be honest about it. There are a lot of better options right now.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 17, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
The news that Arsenal have expressed interest in van Persie's 5 year old son for their development program
kinda underlined their plight for me. They know there’s a pretty slender thread tying van Persie to Arsenal right now, and they are trying everything they can short of dumping massive money into the team to get him to stay. He’s the last domino to fall – once he goes, it will be an even tougher sell to get players to come to the Emirates.
with finishs like this who can blame them
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 19, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
*finishes
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 19, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
Chelsea were pretty awful when they signed Torres and Luiz last season
I think we can attract players.
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Roman Abramovich has no aversion to spending money in order to attract players
I don’t think Arsenal will follow that model. And – results-based analysis ahoy! – Torres hasn’t exactly set the world on fire since he got to Chelsea anyway
This is sort of what I was saying
if you’re crap, you can attract people with money, but we don’t have the resources to do that. So we have to get players interested on our own merits, or I guess by being the only ones interested.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 17, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Which brings us squarely back to the Moneyball philosophy
Arsenal have to get back to getting good at finding players nobody else is looking for. And since the Premier League doesn’t have playoffs, this shit should work!
What's strange about that is that Mata's wages are extremely affordable, even by Arsenal standards
so in the long run, Abramovich’s cash may not have been the biggest factor in all that.
by Ted Harwood on Jan 17, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah he's only on like 70 or 80!
Makes me even more mad we didn’t get him!
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
How?
That’s depressing… Cahill is really making THAT much more than Mata?
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Why isn't he any Arsenal player then?
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by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
So he's racist?
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by Aidan Gibson on Jan 18, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
It was a good one though
All very good points
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 17, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
If people haven't, go check out Arseblog's piece
http://arseblog.com/2012/01/squad-inefficiencies-require-decision-making/
It’s not that one has to agree, but he raises a good point. To use a baseball analogy, we’re giving a lot of roster spots to players who have massively negative WAR.
so we're the 2010 Mets
:(
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 17, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Nooooooooooooooooo
it’s all we have left! that and the dried-out husk of what used to be David Wright
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 17, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
I was trying really hard not to turn this into a baseball sabermetrics discussion but Arsenal are not making it easy for me
Obviously it’s not as easy (or even possible at this point) to do this in soccer as it is in baseball, but I could deal with negative WAR players if they project to be good in a few years – or even to regress to some sort of neutral. But I don’t see that with this group – I think this is the key to Arseblogger’s point:
It means that there’s an over-reliance on the 14-15 players he does trust
I don’t think it’s possible to be competitive on three fronts (whether that third front is the Champions League or the Europa League) with a 14 player squad. If you could replace the eight guys he names with even five replacement-level players, that would open up a ton more options.
We're like a basketball team who has seven good players
and when you need to sub on the 8-10 guys, you say “crap”
by Ted Harwood on Jan 17, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
the Pacers?
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 17, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
heat
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 17, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
the Heat have three good players
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 17, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know anything about baseball....
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Baseball has had a revolution in the last 10 years
Baseball is a very quantifiable sport. It’s an individual sport masquerading as a team sport – there are nine players on a side, but at any given time in the game, any action is purely individual. It’s pitcher v. hitter (think bowler v. batsman), it’s fielder v. ball, that sort of thing.
What this has led to in baseball is a huge body of statistical evidence of player quality. It is easy to say “this player, in this situation, should perform at X level”, because there are decades of numbers that have been captured that can be analyzed. The concept that Ted named – WAR – stands for “Wins Above Replacement”, and it basically means “if you have a team full of players who perform at league-average levels, and you plug in this player, how many more or fewer wins does that player generate” (that’s a nutshell description, but you get the point).
So that’s what we’re talking about when we say “replacement level” and “negative WAR” – Arsenal have a bunch of players who actively contribute to Arsenal losing right now. If we can just get a few players in who play at a league average level of play (and “league average” is a much slipperier concept in soccer than in baseball), it will help Arsenal immeasurably.
Here endeth the lesson. :-)
Thanks
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by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I think most of our starters don't actively hurt the team
Since we are in fifth, after all…
However, the players like Park that sit there, taking up space, but contributing exactly zero to anything…those hurt us. WAR was the wrong stat to use, I think.
by Ted Harwood on Jan 17, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Park Almunia Squillaci can all be removed to bring in someone who will add something to us.
They do nothing but take up space really and that’s where we’re hurt.
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
how can you say that about Park, he's not even had a fair shot to prove his worth yet.
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So sell him to somewhere that he can do so and use the money to get a player Wenger intends to use
Park obviously has not proven himself to Wenger. It’s January. Let him go somewhere else.
Can he even be sold twice in one season?
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 17, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Now that you mention it I believe not, but I think maybe he can be loaned
but I might be wrong on that.
He can't be if he was ever listed on Monaco's roster
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
That's sort of correct
He can only play official matches for two clubs in a season. He can be registered to as many as 3. As far as I can tell he didn’t make any appearances for Monaco this year so there should be no issue.
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 17, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I want him to have a shot
but if Wenger’s just gonna lock him away on the squad somewhere, he’s useless for Arsenal purposes, despite taking up a roster spot.
He was good the one time he played
Of course, nobody got to see that
I think it speaks volumes
That someone who is going away for a month anyway was chosen to start ahead of him against Leeds
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by Aidan Gibson on Jan 17, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I wasn't referring to the starters
To get back to one of the podcast’s tangents (CROSS PROMOTION IS MY LIFE!), the Arsenal bench is full of Willie Bloomquists and David Ecksteins (note to the non-baseball inclined: not-very-good players). I fully expect to hear them be called “scrappy” at some point this season.
Except they don't even get the chance to be scrappy
they’re dead weight if Wenger can’t or won’t turn to them in times of need.
This is true
This is one of the things I don’t get about Wenger, and never will. He’s always had a desire for a big squad, but then he gets a reasonably big squad and he only plays the same 13-14 players. And yet he never moves the other players on, or tries to turn them into better players; he just leaves them there, and I can never figure out why.
People used to give Benitez hell at Liverpool
because he rotated so much, but at least it kept the players happy. And they almost won the league in 2008-09.
I have a half baked concept in my head comparing squad rotation and sabermetrics as cultural shifts
in that in their infancy (as squad rotation is, or at least in its toddler days) neither is particularly well understood or accepted, but the more I think about it the less it makes sense. But I do think that squad rotation can work if you have a deep enough squad of solid players.
Well, Chelsea does, too
But Mancity already has it in place
And the still whine about not having players.
That's not true
Think of the players we’re paying who aren’t doing anything—Chamakh, Almunia, Squillaci, Park, Arshavin (maybe).
You could get good players on their wages
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by Aidan Gibson on Jan 17, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know how to link to tweets (or too lazy to figure it out)
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30 – Arsenal have used the most different players in the Premier League this season. Variety
Captain, there are doubt''s...
Yeah, I saw this the other day
and it’s disheartening and frustrating. Injuries suck.
by Ted Harwood on Jan 18, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
My God!
Do we have that many players?
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 18, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
very true
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 19, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
tyikes
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 19, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
*yikes
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 19, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
I like the make-up of our sqaud and I think we should stand pat and have faith
I don’t feel like explaining it or arguing it, just wanted to say it…
by Loose Seal on Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I generally agree
Fullback issue theoretically can be fixed by returning wounded, winger problem theoretically can be fixed by using AOC and Ryo a bit more liberally. But I think there’s a problem we can’t solve with the players that we have, and that’s the lack of a playmaking midfielder.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 17, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Are we gonna get anyone much better than Wilshere, Ramsey or Arshavin on the transfer market?
A creative midfielder seems like something we’re gonna need to develop, not buy. (bearing in mind that we might not be in Champions League next year, that Arsene doesn’t like to splash big money, and that the clubs’ maximum weekly wages are probably outside of the top 20 clubs in Europe). We could buy a couple more 20 year olds and hope, but I’d rather focus on the guys we do have.
by Loose Seal on Jan 17, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, yeah.
I’m speaking hypothetically of course, see my long-ass comment above and the Fusillade that will hopefully be ready for your ears tonight for more on all that.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 17, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Tangentially to this whole point
I hope that Arsenal conduct some sort of review or evaluation of their training and medical staff in the next year or so. I have done no quantitative study of this, but it seems like Arsenal are a very injury-prone team, and the injuries they get are not insignificant; I would be very interested to see if any of that responsibility lies with the medical staff (and if there’s anything that can be done to decrease the rate/severity of injuries) or if Arsenal just like to recruit players made out of glass.
I think it's just that we rely on/ hold on to injury prone players longer or more than most
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
well no one wants to buy an undurable player
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he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 19, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
I personally would take all of the above
I think we need to bring in a couple of players, not any high caliber players, but one’s that will push the likes of Arshavin and Djourou into having to play harder to keep a starting role, and that’s why I think we picked up the likes of Arteta and Santos and Mertesacker, to make sure that Gibbs, Ramsey, and Koscielny had to play better and harder to keep their role at Arsenal.
Unfortunately, to use the LANS term, it does make sense this time around in the event that Wilshere and Sagna return, because they will no doubtly make our team stronger, I’m not sure the same could be said about Gibbs at this point though.
And finally, you always have to have faith in your team. Anytime anyone (like Liverpool for example) goes though a complete overhaul, it says to the current players that obviously, they aren’t playing good enough, or they just aren’t good at all, and that can kill the morale of some players (like a Fernando Torres…). I don’t think Arsenal have this issue though, even with their silverware-less streak currently running onto seven years, Arsenal is still a great place to be at.
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I think we need signings
I think we have a weakness at left back, and in central midfield.
As said above, we have only 5 offensively-minded midfielders; one of whom, Diaby, is perma-crocked, another, Rosicky, who’s injured a lot, and is gone at the end of the year, a third who is injured right now from playing too much (Jacques) and a fourth, Ramsey, who is a year away from a severe broken leg.
We don’t have any constant backups for them. If we were to lose (touchwood that we don’t) Aaron Ramsey for a month, would we be confident with only Rosicky to replace him?
Not to mention left back, where I think Kieran Gibbs is useless at this point. He could get fit, again, but at this moment in time, is it that much of waste to spend £8m on Aly Cissokho? We don’t have Santos until April anyway, plus, we could always use him at left wing. Yeah, maybe next year it becomes difficult, but I think you can always sell players you don’t want.
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I'm a little worried about selling players
we’ve seen how hard that high wages have made it to sell some players on (Bendtner, Denilson, Almunia)…
True
But I think that also says something about their quality.
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by Aidan Gibson on Jan 17, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Money solves all ask Man City and Chelsea.....
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
Hell yea! For 100 million pounds, you can have both Torres AND Tevez!
That’s like, two goals in six months! Most Excellent!
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....or you can have Premier League titles and FA cups within the last five years
featuring such talent as David Silva and Juan Mata and you could even keep your best players after they shine! An incredible offer for a limited time only!
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
But
Crunchsports.com said we gonna loan teh Kaka!!!
by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions
Jesus that's like five of our players in wages alone
effffffff that
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Isn't Kaka like 40 now?
or does it just seem that way
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
He's 29, but he's been playing first team ball since he was 19
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