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Milan 4-0 Arsenal: Out played, out fought and out thought

MILAN, ITALY - FEBRUARY 15:  Thierry Henry of Arsenal pulls his socks up after coming on as a substitute during the UEFA Champions League round of 16 first leg match between AC Milan and Arsenal at Stadio Giuseppe Meazza on February 15, 2012 in Milan, Italy.  (Photo by Shaun Botterill/Getty Images)

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"But at the start we will try to get out of our own half and try to get up there and play. Spurs won the game when they were dominated, but that is football today."

That was Arsene Wenger, yesterday. How'd that plan work out, Arsene? Not so well, did it? Why not? Well, there are several reasons why it didn't work. Laurent Koscielny and Thomas Vermaelen, having not played together in months, had no understanding. Kieran Gibbs, back from injury, was very poor. Wojciech Szczesny can't kick the ball very far, and Alex Song had one of his worst games in living memory, utterly failing to cover Arsenal's centre back pairing. Arsenal were utterly outplayed by AC Milan, with Zlatan Ibrahimovic having a superb game. The fluidity and movement of AC Milan's two strikers and Kevin-Prince Boateng bewildered Arsenal's defensive line, who gave too much space in behind without playing pressure, something that we have discussed many times beforehand.

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The clash seems to suit Arsenal more, and this performance will say a lot about them. Arsenal now play a system based around getting the ball wide and attacking quickly down the flanks - facing a narrow side that is slow at the back plays into their hands. With that in mind, if Arsenal don't come out on top here, one wonders which of Europe's big guns they would stand a chance of beating. --

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Wenger also made a mistake with his team selection. The San Siro pitch may have been a Little League baseball field in Chicago in the wide areas, but it is where Milan's greatest weakness is. Arsene Wenger, though, gave the initiative back to AC Milan by playing Tomas Rosicky on the left. This is not to criticise Tomas Rosicky, who was Arsenal's second best player, but to criticise the selection. AC Milan are susceptible to pace and width, but Rosicky will not give width nor will he give pace. If Wenger didn't want to play Oxlade-Chamberlain and wanted experience, he should've played Andrey Arshavin. He then compounded the problem by taking Theo Walcott off at 2-0, and moving Aaron Ramsey, who was absolutely atrocious, to right midfield. Thierry Henry and Robin van Persie created two shots together, but Arsenal had no width until Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain came on. Oxlade-Chamberlain also created a chance for van Persie, with a brilliant cross, and didn't seem to be troubled by the pitch in the least. If Wenger's decisions were based on the quality of the pitch, he utterly misjudged how Milan would play against Arsenal. We detailed in the preview that they would press in the middle, and would block Arsenal through the middle, but Arsenal played through the middle because of the players they had.

The decision to play a high line was ludicrous; Robinho, Boateng and Antonini all got behind as Arsenal applied no pressure on Milan's biggest creative threat, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who Alex Song decided would be fine to leave alone. Song didn't attempt a single tackle, and Ibrahhimovic kept on dropping off with Robinho testing the pace of Arsenal's backline in a strike partnership reminiscent of Dennis Bergkamp and Thierry Henry. The tactical naivety of Arsene Wenger is something that has been exposed time and time again, but, with a poorer technical side than previous years, it is imperative that he gets his tactics right. He didn't today, and Milan deserved to win by more than 4 goals. Sure, the Arsenal players, aside from Robin van Persie and Laurent Koscielny, who went off injured because of the terrible pitch, were largely horrendous and blame must go to Wojciech Szczesny who gave the ball straight to Milan from a kick before the first goal, and was tentative at coming out to gather the football.

Arsenal's Champions League hopes, slim as they were, are now over. There is no way Arsenal can win by 4 or more goals at the Emirates; Milan are too strong defensively. Arsenal must concentrate their efforts on the FA Cup and finishing 4th, and hope that they do not have a massive loss of confidence with matches against Tottenham, Liverpool and Newcastle all to come. The motto for this season's Arsenal crest was 'Forward', but, with record defeats in the Champions League and Premier League, it seems that Arsenal have very much gone backwards.

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Missed the game

Kind of glad I did now. I don’t know who performed well or poorly or what not, but I think I’m back to second guessing Wenger’s tactics here. I wouldn’t have minded if this was like a 1-2 loss, or even like a 1-3. But 0-4?!? I mean c’mon…

At least now we’re left with only a couple of sole primary focuses. The FA Cup, and re-qualifying for the CL. If we don’t even come remotely close to achieving any of those goals, I think we should all prepare for a massive internal implosion of how Arsenal is run, on and off the pitch…

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by bmasson11 on Feb 15, 2012 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

Had you seen the game, Wenger would hardly be the only person you'd blame.

The whole backline besides Koscielny had it’s head in space today. Vermaelen and Sagna were both really bad leading up to the first few goals. Even the 3rd goal, in which Vermaelen slipped by accident, was something you have to criticize because the defense leading up to Robinho being allowed to run across the face of the 18 yard box was atrocious.

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by silverace99 on Feb 15, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

"missed" is a relative term

your life is better for not having seen this particular shower of shite.

by pdb on Feb 15, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don't know what to say

I don’t know enough to even pretend that I know enough to make a tactical criticism, much less offer any solution.

However, our midfield has just looked so unbelievably flat when compared to every other top class team that I have watched play this year. We’re slow out there because our passes are just not where they need to be. Every break, every counter, every move, it seems like a player needs to slow down our reverse momentum to collect a pass that should be played much closer to his feet. Now, it is unrealistic to expect anyone to make the perfect pass every time, but it seems like, even when the thought is there, the execution is not.

Compounding this issue is that the only player who seems capable of beating an opponent one on one, or even holding off the defense for enough time to pull them out of shape, is at the top of the formation and cut off from most of our buildup play. There is…another…but apparently he needs more game experience before he can be trusted to play in a game.

Whether this problem is personnel or tactics (in all likelihood it’s probably both), it’s leaving me fairly pessimistic about our chances and making it bleeding impossible to hold the ball against a team that wants to play with us. Even the victories, besides the demolition of Blackburn, seem far too difficult for a team with this much talent.

Despite all that, we ARE Arsenal. We have a number of worldclass players, and maybe much of this is as simple as getting Wilshire back. We’re not dead, we’re not even close to dead. But right now, it’s ugly to watch.

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by MonkeyChow on Feb 15, 2012 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

Do we have world class players?

It sure didn’t look like it today. That was men against boys. Prince and Ibrahimovic just romped through us.

I know it isn’t fair to compare any team to Barca, but it was extraordinary to see how quickly Barca played the ball through the midfield last night and then to watch the plodding, heavy-footed play of Rosicky, Song and Ramsey today.

by El Provpol on Feb 15, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed on the analysis

This was as big a tactical blunder as I’ve ever seen Arsene make. It almost looked like we were playing for the draw or, perhaps a 1-0 loss. Absolutely shocking wide pitch areas (tactically dastardly) but that is no reason to play Rosicky, and we absolutely should not have played Ramsey tonight. Even Arteta and Song were giving the ball away. First thing I noticed was how shellshocked the players looked during the champs anthem and it got worse from there.

I would say it’s a blessing that we can now focus on the league but, honestly, after last season’s similarly explosive shitfest of demoralising results I have a terrible sinking feeling that now is when we lose it all. FA cup, league hold on 4th, etc.

Get well soon, Kos—we’ll need you.

by get defoe kuyt on Feb 15, 2012 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

I think that Ramsey and Rosicky should not play together

not necessarily that one should not have played while the other did.
The team was too crappy today for me to be able to say that Ramsey was better than Rosicky or vice versa.

by Adnan Ilyas on Feb 15, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree with you on Rosicky

I think the QUANTITY of was Rosicky was high but the QUALITY of Rosicky was extremely low.

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 15, 2012 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

Knee jerk reaction?

The last time we won a trophy was when?

88, 32, 7, 21, 17, 31

by carmelsown on Feb 15, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The last time we didn't finish in the top four was when?

I’m not a Wenger apologist, by any means, but try to look at the bigger picture instead of these last 90 minutes played.

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by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 15, 2012 9:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Top four finishes are nice

And the way this year is going, I’ll be glad if we get that, but how many years can we really keep saying “Well, at least we finished fourth”? There is a reason our best players keep leaving. Money is one but surely they know we aren’t close to the best in a Europe, England, or even our city.

88, 32, 7, 21, 17, 31

by carmelsown on Feb 15, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right, it's been hundreds, no thousands of years!!!

Good god, 2 different teams have won the EPL since our last title. That’s

Captain, there are doubt''s...

by Match Day 5 on Feb 15, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

People blame Wenger but...

I think the real blame lies on Kroenke and the board. Stan is happy with an “almost won” team. Wenger does whatever the board wants him to do so don’t expect him to be fired.

by Soupe on Feb 16, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

"Stan is happy with an "almost won" team"

Surely you’re joking, having a laugh. First, point us to comments where he says that. But second, think for a second: In a sport where wins equate additional revenue earned…why in the Hell would he take “almost wins”?

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by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 16, 2012 7:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Marginal revenue vs marginal cost.

If the marginal cost of additional expenditure outweighs the potential revenue resulting from that expenditure (factoring in the chances it will make a difference in the club’s on-field success) then he’s not going to spend.

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by Ben Schneider on Feb 16, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

My point is that this comment

“Stan is happy with an "almost won" team.”

Is false. A conservative fiscal policy and settling for not winning are two different things.

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 16, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

But its not really

The amount of money it will take to win the league and/or a major trophy is more than the money gained by winning said trophy. Therefore you spend what is necessary to keep the status quo and if by some miracle you win a trophy its all gravy – see 2006 St. Louis Cardinals.

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he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Feb 16, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe my interpretation of "almost won" is different then

Because I see your point (and Ben’s). I see that term as being a negative, settling for not winning.

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 16, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Arsenal, like the Denver Nuggets, always ranks around 5, finishes well in play offs / tourney but never wins it all, and is unable to keep their key player.

That’s why I think so.

by Soupe on Feb 16, 2012 8:49 AM EST via Android app up reply actions   2 recs

Sure, it's possible to have that thought

but do you think he told anyone to sell Nasri, Cesc and Clichy? Do you think he told Jack, Sagna and Jenkinson to break some bones? Do you think he’s told Arsene to not play Ox and Park more?

We bought 10 players in august and we made offers for others who turned us down. Is that what someone who wants to “almost win” does? I think your just frustrated (like a lot of people) that we didn’t buy some, for lack of a better term, Galactico in January. Well who did? Who was for sale? What signing did Kroenke veto?

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 16, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

The father gave the son 10 bucks to buy whatever he wants. With that money the son buys some stuff out of dollar store. Like a good son, he never complains publicly about it. His dollar toys break or don’t turn out as hoped.

The son sells his best toys on ebay because he cannot afford to keep them. Father takes that money away from him.

A sad story.

by Soupe on Feb 16, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a little black and white

the finances aren’t as simple as that. When Ivan Gazidis assures us there is money to spend, that statement comes with about a billion caveats, given the way the club’s long-term financial model is set up.

by Ted Harwood on Feb 16, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

That son would then kick the dad's ass when he gets a bit of muscle on his body

But last I saw, Arsene’s stuck around. So from your story/analogy, either Arsene is a meekly servant who takes abuse like that or he’s nearly lock-and-step with the board.

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 16, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Let me ask you this:

What young players do ManU, Chelsea and City have coming up? Chelsea’s awfui right now, City’s only option is to spend more, and ManU will be screwed when Scholes and Giggs can’t play anymore. They’ve at least got a healthy youth program but who is their Wilshire, Szczesny, Chamberlain, Ramsey?

Captain, there are doubt''s...

by Match Day 5 on Feb 16, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

ManU's probably a bad example here

They have Cleverly, Pogba, the Da Silva twins, Welbeck. All of them are under 22.

by Lennon's Eyebrow on Feb 16, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

An Walcott's 22

and we have Jenkinson, Djourou and Gibbs. While others have been spending money and relying on veterans, we’ve been building a nice foundation.

Even Ferguson says that rules only recently changed to allow him to find the next Beckham, meaning who he has now might not have that potential.

Captain, there are doubt''s...

by Match Day 5 on Feb 16, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

(And also Wilshere, Ramsey, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Afobe)

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 16, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

I’d put our future up against anybody’s right now.

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 16, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Two things

1) I’m not disputing that Arsenal have some promising youth players. Just responding to your statement regarding what young players ManU has coming up.

2) The important difference, I think, is that ManU have shown a greater willingness to supplement their “future stars” with current stars and veterans.

Arsenal lately seem perpetually locked in a state where they’re bringing in exciting young talent just when the previous young talent “graduates” to another club. The problem isn’t bringing in the new talent, the problem seems to be bringing that new talent to a point where they can be effective, while complementing those new players with experienced players of a similar/greater caliber.

by Lennon's Eyebrow on Feb 16, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This game was so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so bad

I don’t understand why we did exactly what Milan wanted. I really don’t. It makes no sense to me that we would try to play with whatever formation it was today, while away from home against the leader in Serie A. We should have played deep, with Walcott and Ox on the wings. Honestly, we tried to pass and be technical when we were totally outclassed. This would have been a great day to play Park. I am disappointed in the Henry substitution. I understand it’s his last game. But he won’t come in and win this for us. Not since he’s lost his pace. He also plays through the middle, which played to Milan’s advantage. And the width! The whole game I was watching Arsenal’s width. We were NARROWER then Milan most of the time. It was horrendous.

by Adnan Ilyas on Feb 15, 2012 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

Henry did create our best chance, though

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 15, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

and that's exactly why we played him, despite it not being tactically ideal

He makes something out of nothing and at that point in the game, we desperately needed that. But he’s not a one man army, the team tactics as a whole were baffling.

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by silverace99 on Feb 15, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Would have liked to have seen 4-4-2

With Ox and Walcott wide and van Persie and Thierry up front. Song and Arteta in the middle against Boateng and van Bommel.

by El Provpol on Feb 15, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Against Boateng, van Bommel, Emmanuelson and Nocerino

That was the problem, we were totally outnumbered in the midfield.

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 15, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Rosicky

Do you have a coworker who hates his job and shows up to work everyday without any enthusiasm or fire. The one who is looking in the job market and the only reason he hasn’t left is because he hasnt found another position. Yeah, is that guy. Do not expect anything extraordinary from him and he will soon leave, hopefully.

by Soupe on Feb 16, 2012 8:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I agree that he should go.

Not for the same reasons, though. I just don’t think he’s good enough.

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 16, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree with that position

Rosicky does put effort in. He has had some brilliant games. Who are we to say who is contributing the team when we are watching on grainy feeds on our computers thousands of miles away?

by Adnan Ilyas on Feb 16, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

They definitely dominated in the middle

But isn’t that a reason to play 4 v 4 instead of 3 v 4? Both Walcott and Ox have the ability to get back on defense while still making runs on the flanks.

by El Provpol on Feb 15, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but if they come into the middle, it takes away effectiveness

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 15, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Just lack the quality to compete on this level.

The midfield needs improved. Arteta is solid but no star, Ramsey is green and hasn’t really developed as we may have hoped, and Rosicky should be depth.

I think of the team we started today, only about half are guys who don’t really need to be improved upon. Of course, there are players like Ox and Wilshere who didn’t start, but there’s still clearly upgrades that need to be found on the market. LB and midfield in particular.

Which would be all well and good for a big team like Arsenal…but then there’s Stan.

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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 15, 2012 8:46 PM EST reply actions  

bingo

…like literally zero.

one guy standing still with the ball… 2nd guy runs over… gets pass… stands with ball… pressured… passes out to touchline… winger to halfback… back to szczes.

I don’t think we ever even possessed the ball on the green part of the field in their half.

This team will be the death of me.

by NYflyGUY on Feb 15, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I will say this

I do not think that match is our true talent level. I really don’t. I don’t think we’re that much worse than fucking Milan.

by Ted Harwood on Feb 15, 2012 8:50 PM EST reply actions  

Talent and execution are two different things

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by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 15, 2012 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Beating BvB? Beating Chelsea?

The players can play much much much better than they did tonight, is what I mean.

by Ted Harwood on Feb 15, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Clearly they can

But this is the same team that dropped points to: Blackburn, Fulham (twice), Wolves, Swansea, and Bolton. One or two slips, ok, understandable. To win trophies (and if they’re not out there to win trophies, why are they are out there?) you can’t keep stumbling up like this. I mean we needed Henry to save us against LEEDS.

88, 32, 7, 21, 17, 31

by carmelsown on Feb 15, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I should point out that blackburn defeated ManU away, Fulham put a 5-2 beatdown on Newcastle, Swansea has one of the best home records in the league, having only lost twice, and Bolton defeated Liverpool.

You treat the lower half of the EPL like they are some kind of cannon fodder. They aren’t. And we aren’t the only top side to drop points to them.

Clearly Arsenal is at a low point in team organization and ability, and I have some bones to pick with Arsene’s lack of flexibility, But enough of the doomsaying. The world will not end in 2012.

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by silverace99 on Feb 15, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

so you say

I’m a Mayan timekeeper and I say otherwise. Put your head between your legs and
KYA Goodbye.

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Feb 15, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize this is the best league in the world

And there are truly no “cupcakes”, but wouldn’t you expect to get wins in at least half of those games? These are the games that kill us every year, not the 8-2s at United. We win at least half those games and maybe our title hopes aren’t over in February.

88, 32, 7, 21, 17, 31

by carmelsown on Feb 15, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I was equally frustrated by those losses

because clearly, when Arsenal press, work hard without the ball, and play at a high tempo, they can beat any team in the world. Any team, including this Milan team.

by Ted Harwood on Feb 15, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I think the worst part about this loss...

Is Prince coming out saying we shouldn’t be feared, then pretty much proving him right. Damnit to hell

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by bmasson11 on Feb 15, 2012 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

I also noticed that the stands at the San Siro were only about 2/3 full

I remember when Arsenal were taken seriously as an opponent. Good times.

by pdb on Feb 15, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Think that more has to do with economic times in Italy

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 16, 2012 6:46 AM EST up reply actions  

True

But I can’t remember the last time the San Siro was full for anything other than the Milan derby. The stadium was maybe 30% full last weekend for the Inter/Novaro match. There’s something larger at play in Italy as many stadiums struggle to get 75% for most matches.

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by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 16, 2012 6:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

^THIS

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Feb 15, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

plus you have promotion playoff trophys and the j-paint trophy

Why doesn’t the emirates cup count?
Not that it matters this year.

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Feb 15, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you...

However, does that mean a trophy won by the high school team that won it all means nothing just because they rank 20 thousandth in the world ranking?

Yes a high school championship trophy is nowhere close to the Premiere League trophy, but a trophy is a trophy. It signifies that you beat our all your peers in the same league and won it all.

by Soupe on Feb 16, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

No

what they were saying, to use your analogy, was that a highschool team that wins a state title was just as successful as the Giants for winning the Super Bowl. Thus, a team like the 49ers, who lost in the NFC title game and didn’t win a trophy, is somehow inferior and less successful than that high-school team. It’s just ridiculously poor logic and serves to illustrate how silly the argument that we must constantly win trophies is.

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 16, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Inferior – No
Less Successful – Yes

by Soupe on Feb 16, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't accept that the team in 4th place of the English football league

is LESS successful than the team in 69th place. You don’t either.

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 16, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

What happened there?

the rest of that thought was:

is LESS successful than the team that finished in 69th place. You don’t accept that either.

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 16, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess its the interpretation of "success"

I threw the paper right in the can every time => Mission accomplished completely => flawless victory => “successful”

A club failed to win FA cup => mission not accomplished => failure => not successful

by Soupe on Feb 16, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

But the statistic implied that winning League 2

was in someway a more meaningful success than anything Arsenal does. In fact it is completely and unequivocally irrelevant to anything we’re doing. If I won a bowling trophy last week does that give me the right to throw in Arsene’s face? No. It means nothing.

We’re competing at the top levels in all competitions, we pay top wages, we’re won of only four teams to win the EPL, we play in finals, only (ONLY!!) Real Madrid has been to more consecutive Champions League knockout rounds than us.

How are we not successful?

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 16, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

They're about to show the replay on FSN

If I hadn;t already gouged my eyes out now would be a good time to do it.

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Feb 15, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

Tell you all what; I'm not giving up on this tie. Never.

I hope they come to the Emirates in two weeks’ time, and we just absolutely destroy them. This team is schizophrenic enough to make me think it’s possible.

by Ted Harwood on Feb 15, 2012 10:42 PM EST reply actions  

a nice 7-1 win again will be nice

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Feb 15, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

that would be absolutely legendary.

I think theyll just park the bus tho, tall order.

This team will be the death of me.

by NYflyGUY on Feb 15, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It'll be 5-1, with Ibra scoring in the last minute and we having a pen denied

/MENTAL STRENGTH

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 15, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Driving home from work, that's all I was thinking about.

What we needed to do to beat them at home. Gibbs will have a full slate of games to get back in shape, Verm, Song and Kos (assuming he’s not significantly injured) will be comfortable with each other in the middle, Ox will be further along in his development, Jack???

Never give up, Never surrender!

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 15, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Bring on reinforcements

Tony Adams and Thierry Henry, clad in wonderful bronze
Lehman and Pires in wonderful splendor
And both Dutchmen

Milan shall park a bus
Only for it to be gunned away
Victory assured, once and for all

To the Arsenal

by Adnan Ilyas on Feb 16, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Robert Frost?

Captain, there are doubt''s...

by Match Day 5 on Feb 16, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Wenger's comments to the press afterwards

Were essentially a challenge to his players. It’ll be interesting to see how they respond, both this Saturday and in the second leg of this round.

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 16, 2012 7:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Honestly, I'd rather rest the players for the 2nd leg

We won’t, though.

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 16, 2012 7:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Wenger would get completely skewered by the media

If he did that. Considering the criticism he’s caught lately over squad selection and substitutions, I can’t see him fielding a weaker team with a one goal advantage in a competition they’re ahead in with a risk at losing that match with the sole intention of fielding a strong squad in a comp they’re already four down in.

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 16, 2012 7:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I was very glad to see Wenger do that

because he hasn’t really ever done that before. It was very necessary.

by pdb on Feb 16, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Question to debate:

Would Unai Emery, who’s a very good tactical manager, and has survived losing his best 3 players in the last two years, be a better manager for this Arsenal (money-making, not as good as past) than Arsene Wenger?

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 16, 2012 7:11 AM EST reply actions  

Good suggestion.

I said at the beginning of the year (read: after the 8-2) that we should throw all available funds at BVB to get Klopp.

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by Ben Schneider on Feb 16, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would he come?

Surely he wants another crack at the CL?

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 16, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would he have come then?

I mean, I’d love it but I don’t see it atm.

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 16, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

££££?

Maybe? I dunno, but it’s worth a shot. AVB would have been another good choice. Instead he’s in a shitty situation at Chelsea and will get sacked, ruining his reputation in England and making him an impossible hire for us.

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by Ben Schneider on Feb 16, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

But given he's already bought Reus

I think he wouldn’t leave next year.
Perhaps for 2013-14.

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 16, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

No, but I'm talking about BvB

They’re probably going to be in next year’s CL, and I’m sure Klopp would want to do well in that competition with them.

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 16, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok. I see.

Captain, there are doubt''s...

by Match Day 5 on Feb 16, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know a lot about the guy

But I know Valencia have done well both in the Europa League and La Liga with a youthful squad the past few years, so I can’t see why he wouldn’t be successful with our club and the setup it employs.

Also while on the topic of Valencia, I love the look and, from the few games I’ve caught of them on TV, the atmosphere of Estadio Mestalla.

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 16, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Regarding the pitch

Does anyone else find it suspect that it had new sod laid so near this game? Knowing width is a weakness of Milan and what should be a gunner strength, the timing of it all seems a bit too tactical for me.

by Timothy Winning Voyles on Feb 16, 2012 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

I think it's very suspicious

And I would expect nothing less of a club associated with calciopoli and Berlusconi (sorry, breaking the ‘no poltics’ rule here)

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 16, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

no idea about those two things lol

but I recorded the match and as I was skipping through the pregame banter I did catch some talk of Milan preferring to play more narrow, and obviously I thought we’d stick with wide play as usual, then I saw the field… disgraceful to have that nasty pitch; especially in this stage of uefa. #amazingchapionsleaguepitchesgonebad

by Timothy Winning Voyles on Feb 16, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, UEFA should fine Milan for having that pitch

The Champions League has specific stadium rules that require that stadiums be kept well. Clearly, that stadium was not in fit condition.

by Adnan Ilyas on Feb 16, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Kos and Vermaelen don't pair well together

Both like to press up a little to win the ball and it works much better when there’s a covering defender like Mertesacker paired with one of them.

There were other factors in yesterday’s loss obviously but I think the pairing played a big role.

by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Feb 16, 2012 1:51 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

I think Kos and Verm not playing together in months played a bigger part

Along with Kieran Gibbs not palying in months

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 16, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

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