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Arsene Wenger: The End of An Era?

SUNDERLAND, ENGLAND - FEBRUARY 18:  (EDITORS NOTE: THIS BLACK AND WHITE IMAGE WAS CREATED FROM ORIGINAL COLOUR FILE)  Arsenal Manager Arsene Wenger looks on prior to the FA Cup Fifth Round match between Sunderland and Arsenal at The Stadium of Light on February 18, 2012 in Sunderland, England.  (Photo by Laurence Griffiths/Getty Images)

If Arsenal's defeats on Wednesday and Saturday marked another year of Arsenal being trophy-less, the manner of the defeats also suggested a deeper, more serious malaise. AC Milan and Sunderland are two vastly different teams, but both defended deeply against Arsenal, snuffing out creativity through the middle, and, through pressing, making it difficult to spread the play into wide areas. This defensive system, though, is hardly revolutionary; Alex McLeish used it in last year's Carling Cup final, Manchester City weren't terribly adventurous in the Carling Cup this year, and Alex Ferguson played Rafael and Fabio as wingers in last year's FA Cup quarterfinal. Home draws against defensive minded sides like Sunderland, Blackburn and Liverpool, along with losses to Bolton and Stoke effectively ended Arsenal's title challenge last season, a challenge made harder by a home loss to a very defensive Newcastle. Arsenal's struggles against these sides have been well documented and have occurred for quite a long time.

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Arsene Wenger has never been a very tactically minded manager; the sides that won the league in 1998, 2002 and 2004 were noted for their technical sophistication, which is not always the same as tactical sophistication. Domestically, at least, Arsenal had the quality to work themselves out of holes, just by focusing on their game. Arsenal, though, underachieved in Europe; despite beating Inter Milan 5-1 at the San Siro, they never progressed past the quarter finals in the Champions League, despite possessing one of the best teams in English football history. European football, for the most part, is more sophisticated, tactically and technically, than the Premier League, which is why it took Manchester United until 1999 to win the Champions League; the extremely attacking style of football left them too open in Europe, where they failed to get out of the group stage or first round of the UEFA Cup twice out of 6 seasons (and one of the times they did, they went out in the second round of the Champions League after drawing 3-3 at home to Galatasary). Arsenal seemed to have the same problem; there were some extremely impressive results, like beating Inter 5-1, beating Juventus at Highbury 3-1, but until the 2005-06 season, when Arsenal got to the final, they seemed to underachieve in Europe. That season, beset by injuries, Arsene Wenger was forced to play a more counter attacking style, and, on the back of Martin Keown's coaching, Arsenal's defence set a record for clean sheets. Aside from that, though, it's hard to think of Wenger changing his style of play mid-season, or preparing for the opposition. Cesc Fabregas spoke of that during the 2010 World Cup; Arsenal never prepare for the opposition (except, seemingly, Barcelona), preferring to focus on their own style of play, whereas Spain always did. When faced with problems, Wenger wants his players to work out solutions.

That would be fine, except a lot of Arsenal's players lack the experience and the technical quality that the Invincible side had in abundance. There are all sorts of reasons for that, such as the stadium move, having to rebuild his team twice in the last 6 years and also the lack of funds given to him by the profit driven board and owner, but this Arsenal side isn't as good as the Invincibles side, and, the Premier League has developed more tactical sophistication. With that in mind, Arsene Wenger's own tactical sophistication had to improve, which it didn't. Against teams that denied them space behind opposition defensive lines, Arsenal have consistently struggled. That denying of space makes them look like they lack ideas, and are passing merely for the sake of passing, not because it will lead to a chance. Then, when Arsenal need some invention and ideas from their own manager, the substitution that is made is usually to bring on an extra striker when the problem seems to be a lack of creativity. Yesterday's change seems a good case in point; against a team that was defending deeply, Wenger brought on Theo Walcott, a self-confessed striker, but a player who hasn't played through the middle since at least the early part of 2007/08 because of his lack of strength, poor runs through the middle and because he doesn't fit the requirements of a striker in Arsenal's style of play. Walcott's main asset, of course, is pace; against a team that isn't allowing space in behind, this seems a very odd change, not least because it forced Robin van Persie to drop deeper. If Wenger thought there was a chance Arsenal could poach a goal, why didn't he leave van Persie up front and bring on Andrey Arshavin or Yossi Benayoun who could provide extra creativity, or Marouane Chamakh, who'd offer at least the chance of winning knock-downs.

Last week, the introduction of Arshavin and Henry won the game for Arsenal, but Walcott is not Thierry Henry, and Arshavin was left on the bench (Wenger was hamstrung by injuries to Coquelin and Ramsey, yes, but with 37 minutes left, it seems too early to become desperate, so bringing on Arshavin seems the right choice). Against AC Milan, Arsenal lacked width in the first half, and then compounded the problem by bringing Thierry Henry on for Theo Walcott, before finally bringing on Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain after 70 minutes. Increasingly, these are not isolated incidents; against Fulham, when Arsenal couldn't hold the ball and Fulham were pushing up, Wenger took off the two players who could've provided an outlet, Gervinho and Theo Walcott. Against Swansea, Wenger brought on Thierry Henry, who went through the middle, leaving the whole left flank to Ignasi Miquel, an area where Swansea got their winning goal. Arsenal's plan B is usually to bring on a striker when creativity is the problem; when under pressure, the change is made to bring on more ball players when not having the ball is the problem. This is at odds with the plan B of Manchester United and Barcelona; both managers increase their chances of scoring a goal by putting on more players who are likely to create a goal. Alex Ferguson drops Antonio Valencia to right back, and Pep Guardiola can bring on Thiago and Fabregas while dropping Sergio Busquets deeper. Obviously Arsenal don't have creative players as good as Fabregas, but they do have some very technically proficient midfielders in Yossi Benayoun and Andrey Arshavin who aren't playing. It also is at odds with simple managing; you don't take off outlets when under pressure, and you don't bring on a "striker" who's only asset is going to be pace against a deep-lying side.

Because Arsenal always seem to struggle against teams that defend deeply and counter, it's hard to see when they might win a trophy that doesn't involve beating that kind of team. Sunderland were lucky yesterday; but that's the umpteenth time Arsenal have been beaten by that kind of team. Aston Villa nearly knocked Arsenal out doing the same thing a round earlier, before falling to increasing Arsenal pressure, and losing their shape, and failing to track the fullbacks, something that Birmingham, Sunderland and Manchester United last year, were happy to do. Arsenal no longer have the quality to win a league title, nor, seemingly, do they have the tactical nous to win a Cup. Arsene Wenger can lead Arsenal to a 3rd or 4th place finish and maybe a quarter or semi-final, an achievement that is fine, but, if Arsenal want to return to a consistent trophy-winning side, they'll likely have to do it without their best ever manager. As Wenger looks on from the bench, getting more and more frustrated, it's hard not to think that football has passed him by.

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meh.

our players have been injured to often and haven,t played very well when necessary. I think wenger,s done an amazing job in spite of this.

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 19, 2012 9:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

But it's not just the players, and it's not just injuries

We had our full team out against Milan on Wednesday, except for Wilshere and Gervinho. We lost 4-0; the players were terrible, yes, but they were set up in completely the wrong fashion. They can only do so much. A manager’s job is a lot more than just naming a first XI.

Wenger has done a good job, depending what your ambitions are. I’m not saying Wenger Must Go or Wenger Knows Best. I’m saying that I don’t think he’s going to win anything. I’d love to be proven wrong, but we’re just so inept when it comes to games like yesterday and the Carling Cup final.

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

its not the case that there is

some perfect tactical setup that will win every game

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 19, 2012 10:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's not about having some ultimate formula

It’s about making the right moves to increase your chances of victory. And Wenger doesn’t do that.

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by silverace99 on Feb 19, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

i just think there is a dufference between being wrong

and not knowing enough to even be wrong. Arsene has earned the right to make mistakes.

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 19, 2012 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm as big of a Wenger apologist as you will ever find

but any right he has earned to make mistakes is rapidly being outweighed by those mistakes. To me it all gets down to what silverace says; Wenger does not and will not, ever, change his style, even though it is patently obvious that a change in style is desperately needed right now, even as a short term measure until Wenger gets the players he wants to play the style he plays.

It’s the inflexibility and resistance to change in the face of overwhelming evidence that change is in fact necessary that drives me crazy – in sports and in life.

by pdb on Feb 19, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

every thing with this team changes every day

mainly do to injuries. How can we tell players to play differently when we don,t even know if they will even play?

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 19, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

what? This is not an argument about the players we have available. It's a question of Wenger's tactical decisions. For example, he had the players he needed to play wide attacking games against Milan and Sunderland, but he chooses not to do so...

Despite the fact that he knows our current lineup can’t pass our way through the middle of a packed defense. Injuries are not an excuse for that.

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by silverace99 on Feb 20, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

BUt everybody is second guessing him

without knowing just what kind of form these players are in. Are they all prepared to be that flexible? Perhaps Arsene didn’t think so and thought, in spite of what we we’re up against we had a better chance playing they way we did.

I’m not saying this was the case but I’m not the one saying I know this team better than he does.

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 20, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

No, these isn't.

But the fact of the matter is is that parking the bus against Arsenal has been a viable strategy for 7 years. Compared to United, Chelsea and City, Arsenal have a poor home record, because it’s hard for us to beat a parked bus.

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

its a valid strategy against anybody

look how bitter barca fans still are towards inter and moreno

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 19, 2012 12:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, ok.

How many other times have Barca been held scoreless since? 10 times out of 100 games at most?

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

How many times have they played that type of team since then?

How many times do teams do it against us? Why? Cause it works.

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 19, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

How many times?

Almost every single game, to varying degrees of success.

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

There's only so many times you can say that. Arsene/we have said it every season.

At some point it becomes clear that this Groundhog Day scenario is not merely the result of bad luck.

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by Ben Schneider on Feb 19, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

its not bad luck, its bad play

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 19, 2012 10:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

no, he doesn,t kick the ball

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 19, 2012 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And that's certainly a fair argument that has been used to fire managers before

But in our case, when so many guys are great in one game and then disapear the next or get hurt for the next 2 months or more, I really think you have to cut Wenger some slack. THese guys are being paid to do a job. Do it.

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 19, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

This is exactly the argument we Rams fans had all last year.

Bottom line. If the team sucks, it is ultimately the manager’s fault. Period.

No more of this hippy liberal apologizing. Move along.

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by Midasknight on Feb 20, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

but the rams should be better than they are with the talent they haveinjuries or not.

arsenl have a talented enough team to win something but with all the injuries and shakeups are really a midtable team. Wenger has gotten into th knockout rd of the cl and fourth in the league. He should be celebrated for that, not fired.

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 20, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Are we going to find anyone better? Doubtfully. Unless we can steal a manager from another side (again doubtfull) we’re never going to get better by without Wenger.

by Roa on Feb 19, 2012 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

Well, we're going to have to replace him eventually

Because he’ll want to retire.

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

how do you define better?

Because tactically speaking, Wenger is quite below par. It would not be difficult to find another manager who is better in that regard. If teams like Newcastle or Norwich or Swansea or Dortmund can attract tactically astute coaches, so can we.

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by silverace99 on Feb 19, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

"Never" is a mighty long time

Replacing Wenger is like replacing Fabregas – you can’t and won’t find a direct, one-for-one replacement because one doesn’t exist. If Arsenal are to replace Wenger, they are going to need to look for a manager that has Wenger-like qualities but also another dimension, and at this point there are also very few of those around.

But as with players, there’s always a replacement out there if you’re willing to look for one – I can’t really identify one that I’d want right now, but remember, when Wenger was signed nobody really knew who he was, either.

by pdb on Feb 19, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Villas Boas. Still a good idea.

by jiduthie on Feb 19, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I wan’t to qualify that somewhat though: Wenger was great because he had someone like David Dein backing him up. I dunno what Kroenke has in his head, but certainly a football man like Villas Boas without a wheeler dealer like David Dein won’t return us to winning the league. But a man like Villas Boas will give us an Arsenal identity while we await the stars aligning, which is the only thing you can do to make a sports team win.

by jiduthie on Feb 19, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sold on Villas Boas

and not just because of what Chelsea are going through this season. He won the Champions League with Porto, but Porto are the Barcelona/Real Madrid of the Portugese league – they have all the money and all the resources and have won the Portugese league 25 times, and have won it every year but four since 1998. Any manager that manages a team like that will be highly regarded, but put them in a situation where it’s not quite so easy to win and how do they do?

I hope AvB gets another season at Chelsea to show what he can do, this season has been a big ol’ mess for Chelsea but they have an aging squad and are in need of a revamp. I’d love to see what kind of job AvB does with that before I start clamoring for him to manage Arsenal.

by pdb on Feb 19, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand that, but he also managed to win the Euro. More then that, if you listen to the way he talks about tactics it’s very difficult to come to the conclusion that this is a man that doesn’t know what he’s on about.

If Abramovich chucks him on his ass at the end of this season, I’m not sure Kroenke could do much better.

by jiduthie on Feb 19, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

*Europa League

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It's early Sunday morning

No worries

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course, if he did, he would've been 26

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

He'd also be older than almost all of our team

None of this player power stuff at Chelsea!

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yikes, I just read that as "they won the championship(of their league) with Villas Boas. The Special One was the architect of Porto’s CL win, albeit with AVB in towe.

by jiduthie on Feb 19, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem with Villas-Boas is that the media narrative on him has been established.

He’s young and inexperienced. He’s foreign. He’s not going to cut it. And the British media can create a huge amount of pressure and controversy by themselves, independent of events.

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by Ben Schneider on Feb 19, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

all the more reason to take him. We are a club that hangs on to it’s managers. That he’s been burned by the English media is a selling point, not the opposite. Arsenal fan’s know this team needs rebuilding.

by jiduthie on Feb 19, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s priced lower. Despite holding the same value.

by jiduthie on Feb 19, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Kloppie but

I don’t think he is gonna leave BVB any time soon. Everybody loves him at Dortmund. He is a key figure, very popular and a legend for the club already.
I think at a certain point he might become Germany national team coach if Löw leaves. He is more than qualified to do so. Or he might just as well stay as Dortmund’s coach for his whole career just like Sir Alex, Thomas Schaaf, and Wenger, for the moment.

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by javi92 on Feb 20, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

How many times are Arsenal going to be beaten the same way until Wenger is held somewhat accountable. It’s obviously not all his fault, but he deserves some of the blame.

by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Feb 19, 2012 10:39 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Sorry, but I feel this is a bit short sighted

Do you guys remember last summer? We weren’t supposed to lose Fabregas and Twat. This whole season is a freak of nature. We panic bought, turned up Mert and Arteta, and somehow find ourselves sitting inside the top 4 in February. I won’t say this is the start/end of an era right now. I’d argue this is just the low point of an era that has dated back for a few years. And I don’t think it’s wise to clamor for Wenger’s head. This squad isn’t talented enough for that number 4 spot. it’s not talented enough to win a deep group in Champions League. But it did. Yes, Wenger deserves blame. He hasn’t been rotating when he should have and he hasn’t been getting the performances we should have in the past few months. But does anyone remember the injury list? It’s recently gotten shorter, but it’s still really long. Might I remind you that Sagna only came back a few games ago? That we didn’t have Gibbs until earlier this week? That, for the entire season, we haven’t played our best center backs together because we literally had no fullbacks? This season has been overly ridden with injuries. And don’t blame the medical staff for these. It’s been a vicious cycle where players have to overplay to compensate for the injured and get injured in the process.

by Adnan Ilyas on Feb 19, 2012 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

I'm sorry but this is unparagraphed nonsense.

Injuries have always been the excuse. If we have had more games lost because of injuries than other teams then Wenger has fallen short in rotating or creating a competent medical staff.

If our injuries aren’t much worse than other clubs then money is the excuse and then why do we insist on paying young players who don’t play matches such large salaries? Wenger ought to fix our wage structure, something that’s surely within his power given the length of time he’s been at our club and the way in which he’s taken ownership of our youth policies.

by jiduthie on Feb 19, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying that this is a perfect system

But my viewpoint is that we shouldn’t suddenly be calling for Wenger’s head over a few months of poor results, not when we consider that this year is so weird. It’s almost unheard of for a team to lose every single player it has in both the left and right of a position. And I’m including youth players. Nasri and Fabregas were also not supposed to leave this season. So, I am willing to count this season as a fluke. It’s a low. I want to see what happens next year, because I’m really sure that it will just go back to being like the year before, where we have most of the pieces but just shy one or too. This isn’t the start of an era, it’s the climax of one. This has been going on for a while, but now, it’s really really hitting hard. What happens after this season matters, not really what happens today or tomorrow.

by Adnan Ilyas on Feb 19, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

So if you don't find fault with Wenger or with the medical staff, are you satisfied with Arsenal's season at this point?

I’m not asking that in a let’s-start-a-fight way, I’m genuinely curious. Given all the factors you mentioned, are you OK with what Arsenal are achieving this season?

I tend to think that Aidan’s piece can be summed up by his last line: “it’s hard not to think football has passed him by”. And I put that blame squarely on Wenger – as mentioned in other threads and elsewhere, managers have to evolve as does the game. That’s my main frustration with Wenger – even given all the limiting factors you cite, which are many, Wenger refuses to alter his plans to fit his current reality. When it goes OK, this stubbornness is acceptable; in the face of overwhelming evidence that it’s not going OK, though, this refusal to even countenance the idea of a tactical change is extremely maddening.

by pdb on Feb 19, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

i don,t know about Adnan,but I am.

injuries, youth, depatures, arrivals, animosity…we could easily be liverpool right now.

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by Match Day 5 on Feb 19, 2012 1:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I do think that Arsene is a bit off tactically.

In theory, tactics shouldn’t matter with a fluid system, which I like to think we have. That’s not reality, and it’s shown that tactics are not Wenger’s strong suit. And that’s somewhere he needs to improve. But I think that all managers have their faults. Wenger tends to make them up elsewhere. Considering everything that has happened, yeah, I guess I’m OK with a 4th place finish and no trophies. I won’t call this season successful, nor will I call it unsuccessful (unless something catastrophic happens). It’s just, the reality of the situation. There’s only so much you can do. What really matters to me is next year. Next year has to be an improvement. Otherwise, yes Wenger should go. But not now. I don’t believe in knee-jerk reactions.

by Adnan Ilyas on Feb 19, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm ok with a trophyless 4th place too

but I was where you are last year at this time, and this year hasn’t been an improvement. Which is why I’m frustrated.

by pdb on Feb 19, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this next summer/season is make or break

This will define Wenger if he can pull the team together, make the right moves, and get the team going in a positive direction. The way I see it, the end of last season is just the beginning of this one. This summer, I think, is more important for Wenger’s career then the 2003-4 season was.

by Adnan Ilyas on Feb 19, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I get that it's a transition season, I do, I really do.

And I’m not basing it just on this season; I’m basing this piece, as Paul says above, that Wenger hasn’t changed over the last 7 years. That game against Sunderland happened yesterday, it happened in 2009/10, 2008/09 (against Sunderland) and lots of times against other teams.

I understand that we have injuries, but one thing that you have to do, I think, is change for the opposition unless you have an outstanding team, which we don’t.

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's safe to say

That Wenger has forgotten more about this sport than we’ll ever know, but it’s hard to ignore the facts that Wenger has become increasingly stubborn about his vision on how the game is to be played. My fear is that he’s running more and more unchecked within the club, that there isn’t that respected person to pull him aside and talk about matters.

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by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 19, 2012 11:53 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

This is a huge part of it, to me

Wenger has Pat Rice, but Pat Rice has been there forever and is a loyal company man. Wenger needs someone to challenge his vision.

by pdb on Feb 19, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

And the one person to ever do that was named David Dein

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

I think people underestimate how much Dein is missed. Or at least they did until this week.

by pdb on Feb 19, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely

Not only with Arsene, but with the board. Though, he did want to bring in Kroenke, so maybe it would’ve turned out as it has.

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He also sold his shares to Usmanov

Unfortunately. But a guy whom Arsene trusted, that’s what’s missing and our slip does coincide with Dein’s departure.

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by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 19, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

I think one reason that so many Arsenal fans wanted a new assistant manager over the summer wasn’t because of hatred towards Pat Rice, but because they were torn over feelings for Arsene. The idea, then, of hiring someone who’d at least challenge Arsene and wouldn’t be a yes man.

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to think game inefficiencies has had a part in all of this

When Wenger came in, there was a lack of technical ability in the English game. With his style of play there were a good many years where other teams couldn’t handle the way we played. Then eventually teams started figuring out how to defend it and other teams were getting players with technical abilities(ahem Scum?). Our advantage in that sense of the game has been greatly reduced since and Wenger has struggled to find a new niche in the game to give us an advantage again. The switch to the 4-3-3 formation seemed like an attempt to gain that again but by the time we had that sorted, everyone else was playing it too. Of course this hasn’t been helped with the departures of our better players…

by Scrupio on Feb 19, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

I just want trophies

Please just bring home some silverware.

by sfil6 on Feb 19, 2012 1:32 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Anybody

thought about Frank de Boer as a possible replacement for Wenger?. He is young, determined, and his coaching style is pretty much as similar as Wenger’s. He likes attractive total football just like the former glory days of the Holland team. He also knows how to work with young players and he won the Eredivisie in his first year ever as a manager after a long drought trophyless for Ajax.

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by javi92 on Feb 19, 2012 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

I'd like him, but I still want Wenger to stay

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by Brick Top on Feb 19, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Wenger needs one more year

his tactical side isn’t great, but let’s see if he can assemble a squad over the summer, is my view.

by Ted Harwood on Feb 19, 2012 4:39 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Same

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

by Brick Top on Feb 19, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm willing to do that

I just don’t see anything happening.

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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

as opposed to a longer one? or shorter?

I’m not sure it’s fair to judge Wenger on this weird transition year, even as I find much of his decisions puzzling. The one thing I worry about is that we’re so quick to judge his squad choices, but as manager, he is responsible for man managing and thus must show faith (well, not in Park, apparently).

by Ted Harwood on Feb 19, 2012 6:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Did the last seven seasons not happen?

Or did you just have far lower expectations than most of us?

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by Ben Schneider on Feb 19, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't expect to win a trophy every single year, given the constraints of building a 500 million pound stadium

I also think that this year has been rather exceptional in terms of circumstances, which is why I think one more year is necessary.

Brian Clough won two European Cups, then spent 13 years or so watching his club slide into mediocrity and relegation—I don’t want that (well, I do want the cups).

by Ted Harwood on Feb 19, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

didn't read but I am of the opinion that

Sacking wenger or pressuring him to resign would launch the club into a new dimension of disarray. If you think it can’t get worse than it is, then you would be in for a very rude awakening.

This team will be the death of me.

by NYflyGUY on Feb 19, 2012 6:45 PM EST reply actions  

as far as i,m concerned

wenger is the most important thing we have fight now. Jack is second. We can afford to lose everyone else before we lose those two.

Captain, there are doubt''s...

by Match Day 5 on Feb 19, 2012 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

hmmmm...

a little freudian slip there i think.

Captain, there are doubt''s...

by Match Day 5 on Feb 19, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I recognize the injuries and all that

Im just tired of losing to SHIT teams…i just feel like unless your an arsenal fan, no one considers us a top club anymore…not even the bad teams, there are too many games we are “supposed” to win, or put ourselves in position to win that we dont and in every other sport that ive ever seen, every other team, that leads to a change in manager…i agree with waiting, cuz it makes no sense to chance managers in the middle of the season, but i just HATE sitting through it!

by CHOCOLATERAIN09 on Feb 21, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

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